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A few hands I am unsure about...

Postby olegirl7 » Sun Jul 03, 2005 6:17 pm

Here are 4 hands from when I played earlier that I am just unsure if I played right, or drastically wrong-and I know all of you guys on this forum can give me better advice than I could give myself.

Whitney

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [As], [Ks]. CO posts a blind of $0.5.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, Hero raises, 2 folds, CO (poster) calls, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) [Kc], [9c], [8s] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero bets, CO raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) [Ad] (3 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, CO calls, UTG+1 folds.

River: (9.75 BB) [4s] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Results below:
Hero has As Ks (two pair, aces and kings).
CO has Jh Kd (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins 11.75 BB.

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Qs], [As].
3 folds, MP2 raises, MP3 calls, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) [Th], [Ac], [Ks] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) [Qh] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, MP2 caps, Hero calls.

River: (13.25 BB) [5c] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 15.25 BB

Results below:
Hero has Qs As (two pair, aces and queens).
MP2 has Jd Ad (straight, ace high).
Outcome: MP2 wins 15.25 BB.

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ac], [Qd].
5 folds, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) [Qh], [9h], [Kc] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP3 folds, Button calls.

Turn: (2.75 BB) [Qs] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.75 BB) [4s] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 6.75 BB

Results below:
Hero has Ac Qd (three of a kind, queens).
Button has Ks 5s (two pair, kings and queens).
Outcome: Hero wins 6.75 BB.

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Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (9 handed)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [8s], [9s].
3 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls, 1 fold, BB checks.

Flop: (5.50 SB) [Jd], [5s], [2s] (5 players)
BB checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, Button raises, BB folds, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) [Js] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (6.75 BB) [Jc] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Results below:
Hero has 8s 9s (flush, jack high).
Button has Ad 5d (full house, jacks full of fives).
Outcome: Button wins 8.75 BB.
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Postby MecosKing » Sun Jul 03, 2005 8:32 pm

Hey there!

Lemme be about the 47th person to say--welcome to the forums! Its great to have a girl on here...like an honest to goodness one, not just a guy who dresses up like one (got some of those who post in here, definitely)

Anyways, the hands:
(1) was played fine. Its probably one of the most standard hands ive ever seen, and is a shining example of why you dont play crap like KJs for a raise.

(2) Well, from the way you played this one, id say Rich has got his hands full! While i am definitely a lover of jammitup aggression, i dont think you should ever have reraised the guy who raised you on the turn. The straight is just too likely, and your drawing to 4 outs if hes got it. I think the question here is whether or not you even want to call the first raise...I probably would because id digure i got 4 outs to a win and 3 to a chop, so why not...
--But basically, with 4 broadway cards out there, even if i had a set, i wouldnt ever put in a reraise without the straight, and i PROBLY wouldnt call the river bet either, although i tend to be a calling station, so i might.

(3) I dont see anything at all wrong with the way you played this hand. You cant check AQ middle pair, even if your in early position just because there is a king up there- too many draws out there. And then of course when the Q hit the turn, you obviously had the best, and you bet it. This was fine.

(4) Hah! Ya gotta love it when your in there with a flush and trips hit the board. I dunno, i think id probably have to call this. Id expect to lose it more than 50% of the time.What an ass nugget though, that guy misplayed his hand in every which way possible basically, with the exception of the river value bet. But like i said, you probably need to call this. Its kindof like you have top two pair or a set and the flush card comes off on the river, and some guy fires it into you all of a sudden. Ya gotta call it (IMHO) since youve come this far and put alot into the pot already...you dont have to win the pot very often for that call to be reasonable.

OKay, thats basically how i see it, for what its worth.
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Postby briachek » Sun Jul 03, 2005 9:31 pm

Hand 1 - Against most people, I 3 bet that on the flop. If I don't, I only call with the intention of checkraising the turn as I think my hand is good. Too many people raise with draws to not 3 bet that flop though.

Hand 2 - I think I would checkraise that flop and bet then call the turn and probably just check call on the river. However, I can't really think of anything you beat but AT so a fold doesn't seem bad unless against the worst of opponents. Pushing that turn is just too dangerous. However, if he doesn't have a jack, he hates that turn too.

Hand 3 - no problem at all

Hand 4 - I'd probably fold it preflop unless there was one more caller. after that, can't really fault your play as your opponent was a muppet.
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Postby Ricardooon » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:21 am

I'm not sure its ever a good idea to comment on your wife(elect)'s play but what the hell!

Hand 1. I asked you to post this since I wanted to see if people would agree with my take on this. Seems Mecos is a passive type where as Bri sees it my way. I am reraising that flop since I need a lot more information to feel I have anything but the best hand. I watched when you played this and put the bad guy on a K straight away. Having said that calling on th flop is fine is you are setting up to a check raise. In this respect the ace falling was not as helpful to you. I am dubious as to whether you would have got that bet out on the turn. With AK if I hit the flop and I raised I think I have the best unless the flop texture is awful. This one had draws but I am still happy TPTK is good. If a set was out there, well being aggressive early might give you the information to bail later and save a few dollars.

Hand 2. Now this is a nasty flop. I am still going to jam it up on the flop. As soon as that Q falls though I am in chk calling mode. Given the preflop raise even if there isn't a J out there you still might be dominated by an AK. I am not sure I would fold as I saw your table and it was 50% monkeys but I would want to pay off the min if I am behind. There will be better hands when you can go super aggressive.

Hand 3. Sweet, thats my girl.

Hand 4. This is a sucky situation. I hope you made notes on this muppet as in future with TP or better I am going to war on the flop with this guy. When the flush card hit I might have gone for a chk raise since you bet into your draw which is enough to throw the avg idiot off your flush draw and with the raise I am guessing (hoping) he has a J so he has to bet the turn. With the paired board I am willing to risk seeing a full house though if he three bets the turn I am done with this hand. On the river I was talking to you so I know the chk call was safe. Against a sane player I may have just chucked it away here to be honest with you as any hand he has will beat you and we are just hoping he is bluffing.

I think you are doing really well honey and we are now just tweaking you and making you a little board savvy. At least you are not weak tight (oh the shame)...

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Postby TightWad » Mon Jul 04, 2005 12:02 pm

I really don't have much to add to everyone else's comments, but in the spirit of "eh, what the hell," I'll weigh in anyway! :D

Hand 1 : I agree that you need to 3-bet this flop, both for information and to get money in while you probably have the best hand. Calling a flop-raise and going for a check-raise on the turn can be tempting, but I generally reserve that for heads-up pots, or very strong hands on uncoordinated boards. TPTK is pretty strong in this situation, but there's a lotta scare cards that can come on the turn, so I think you're best off 3-betting now. That being said, leading out on the turn is MUCH better than going for a check-raise, because there's too much risk the CO will check behind you.

Hand 2 : I think once again I'd 3-bet the flop...if he calls, I'll bet the turn...if he raises, I think you just call and try to hit your 4-outer, fold if you miss...though I'd probably call down, being the weak-willed guy I am :oops: I really don't see him raising a turn bet with two weaker pair if you show a lot of strength on the flop by 3-betting. I think both hands show that it's very important to be aggressive on the flop for the sake of defining your opponent's hands...this way, it'll be easier to find out if you're beaten, or if someone outdraws you on a later street (because if you jam the flop, most players won't raise you on the turn unless they have a very strong hand).

Hand 3 : Well-played, but the real question here is what do you do if you don't make trips/2-pair on the turn? His flop call can mean a very wide number of things. He could have a king (though most will raise a king here), or a queen, a nine, a gutshot, or a flush draw. There's far too many hands that you are still ahead of to not bet the turn, even if you don't improve. Not that it came up, I'm kinda just trying to fill some space as Tetsuo is paying my by the word.

Hand 4 : As others have said I think you probably have to call down the river, though not be happy about it :) I really like your flop-bet; I know when I was a rookie (i.e. my first 3 years of playing :oops: ) I was very hesitant to bet on the draw, but there's often a good reasons to.

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Postby Tiburon » Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:17 am

Hey Whitney--

Again, welcome to the forum.

To echo comments above:

Hand 1: 3-bet that flop. If he's dumb enough to call that, he's dumb enough to call the turn bet too, just as he did. Otherwise, I liked the play. And if you think he would've folded to a 3-bet, an outstanding play overall.

Hand 2: When he capped the turn, you've got to have the little buzzer in your head that lets you know when you're beat. It's hard to lay down two pair like that, but that board scares the hell out of me.

Hand 3: I call that hand, "How to Kick a Muppet in The Junk," by Whitney. Excellent, and it warms the heart.

Hand 4: It's that buzzer again. When the board pairs, beware the boat. When trips show, and "all you have" is a flush, you're very possibly screwed.

Like Rich said, you seem to be doing very well overall. Keep it up, and best of luck at the tables!!!
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