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Folding TPTK/Overpair Hands (1/2 FR)

Postby MTPaid » Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:58 pm

Bad habit to get into or moneysaver? Do you need more than just a strong gut feeling and logical reasoning?

On the first hand, I was pretty certain I knew what he had, but called down anyway because of the possibility of 1 or 2 other hands.

On the 2nd hand, I folded and was actually correct that I was beaten, but for the wrong reasons. The pot was tremendous and I know think I should have called for that reason. Is this results oriented because my read was bad?

On the 3rd hand, I thought I was beat, but had to call the river. I thought about checking and even folding on the river, but again for the wrong read.


Hand 1:
UTG [Ah][Ks]
SB 21/14/50
BB a goof - pay no attention

I raise, folded around to SB who 3-bets, BB calls, I cap, both call
[4s][Js][Kh] Pot 12 SB
SB bets, BB calls, I raise, SB 3-bets, BB calls, I call
[7h] Pot 10.5 BB
At this point I was fairly certain he had JJ with the outside chance of AK or AQ. I thought about actually folding the turn, but is that too weak in a pot that is this large now? SB bet turn and BB folded. I called his turn and river bets. They didn't change the outcome. Is AK foldable in this situation with TPTK?

Hand 2:
SB [Qd][Qc]
UTG+1 - extremely aggressive (28/16/47)
Button - borderline retarded, pay no mind
BB - 36/13/35

UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 is all-in for $1.75, Button 3-bets, I cap, BB, UTG+1, and Button call
[Td][5h][9c] Pot 17.75 SB
I bet, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, Button calls, I call, BB calls
[6c] Pot 12.75 BB
I check, BB checks, UTG+1 bets, BB calls, I fold - too weak in a big pot? I mean UTG raised a very tight preflop capper (me) on the flop. Can I expect any competant player to do that with JJ not fearing that any of us have a bigger pair?

Hand 3:
Everyone's favorite [Kd][Kh] MP2
UTG 12/11/31
UTG+1 32/28/40 and liked to get cute with check-raising scare cards vs PFRers

UTG raises, UTG+1 3-bets, I cap, both call
[6d][9c][3s] Pot 13.5 SB
UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, I raise, UTG 3-bets, UTG+1 folds, I call
[9s] Pot 10.25 BB
UTG checks - I was thinking AA, but the check threw me off so I bet and he called.
[4c] Pot 12.25 BB
UTG checks, I bet, UTG check-raises. Does a player that tight do that with anything less than AA? Remember that I capped the flop and I was playing very tight myself. I called, but if I had QQ would a fold be out of the question?

I'm starting to think that calling down in these spots is slowly killing my bottom line in tough 1/2 games. A year ago this probably wouldn't have hurt me as much, but now with only 1 loose or bad player most times at each table, a bet saved is a bet earned right? Do I need to adjust my game and start making these folds in tougher games at these low limits?
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Re: Folding TPTK/Overpair Hands (1/2 FR)

Postby Pok 7's » Thu Feb 15, 2007 12:53 am

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Postby MTPaid » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:21 pm

I knew you'd like that 3rd hand.

Which one is SSH HPFAP. I have the red book. Forgot which one that is. I've read it like 3x, but even though this is still small stakes holdem, I don't think it applies to these games anymore online. I rarely find tables with a VP$IP over 30. I'm almost giddy when it's not under 20.

I've played 2 sessions of short-handed so far and it was kinda maniacal both times. I posted some of the hands from the 2nd session in my journal the other day, but I'm seeing at least 1 or 2 players at 50/20/50 or better per table. One table had a 75/40/50 and an 80/30/60 sitting right next to each other. And they were winning! It's much more volatile playing against them than just the guy who wants to limp in and see every flop.
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Postby antneye » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:33 pm

Resist his evil ways MT, me and you can talk FR all day long. Screw the midget poker players....short is bunk.
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Postby Pok 7's » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:15 am

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Postby MTPaid » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:37 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Fri Feb 16, 2007 3:41 pm

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