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Postby MTPaid » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:12 pm

Feel I might be over-playing AKo vs bad players even when I miss. I may be going to showdown with A-hi a little too often because I know these players are bad. Problem is, their bottom pair with Q4s is better than me on the river.

Reads:
UTG (31/4/30 over 110 hands) - bets flop whenever she has a pair or a good draw. Doesn't matter who raised, what pair it is, what her kicker is, or what else is on board.
BB - fairly new, no reads

[Ad][Kc] MP1
UTG limps, I raise, BB calls, UTG calls

[5h][4d][Td] Pot 6.5 SB
BB checks, UTG bets (cause that's what she does), I raise, BB calls (???), UTG calls.

Hard to put UTG on anything, possible she has a pair, could be any pair, I could be reverse dominated, but not necessarily.
I have 2 overs + BDNutFD. That's 7.5 outs, BUT I'll only give myself about 6 outs in case I'm reverse dominated. Enough to raise for the free card?
BB's cold call screams flush draw?

[Jh] Pot 6.25 BB
Checked around.

Lost my flush draw, but gained a GSSD. Possible 10 outs. Even if the Jack does scare them, there's not enough of a chance that I'll chase both of them out is there? Usually I've been betting in this situation, but here I checked. I don't know.

[7d] Pot 6.25 BB
BB checks (??? - had him on FD, WTF did he cold-call Fp with?), UTG bets (no fear that I went for free card play with FD), I ????

Easy fold or go to showdown again with Ace high vs bad player? Getting bout 6-1 (rake not taken out yet). I doubt BB is check-raising here because Turn was checked around. Does that mean he has a pair or he thinks I have a bigger flush? Or am I not calling UTG's bet anyway so it doesn't even matter?
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Postby antneye » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:44 pm

This is a clear fold to me. UTG bet flop, checked to you after you raised flop, and then fires river when you showed weakness on turn. He probably had top pr or something like that on flop. He is too dumb to fear you were on a free card play and check again. Either that or he was initially betting his own flush draw.

Either way this is a fold.

Then again, I rarely take an unimproved AK to the river in a multiway pot.
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Postby MTPaid » Tue Mar 20, 2007 12:48 pm

This a hand where I usually bet again on the Turn with the extra outs and check behind on the River unimproved. I figure that this play sometimes lets me win the pot on the turn or sometimes I will gain an extra bet on the river if I hit. It also doesn't even give them a chance to bluff me on the river with a missed draw.

From looking at the my AKo PT stats, the above hasn't been working. So while I agree with you that this was a fold, I guess my real question is which play is more EV?
Check turn for free card.
Bet turn and plan to check river unimproved.
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Postby antneye » Tue Mar 20, 2007 1:03 pm

Heads up I may choose to fire again, but multiway I think you need to take the free card. Your turn bet is basically a bluff in these spots, and your success rate on a bluff goes down with each additional person in the pot.
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Postby MTPaid » Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:25 pm

Now I'm feeling way too weak with AK. It's now officially a losing hand for me after 196x at 1/2 FR. 54.59% -$2.45

Here is how I played it the 4x I was dealt today. All 9 handed.

UTG+1 [Ah][Kc]
I raise, SB calls (showdown muppet), BB calls (only 30 hands vs).
[9d][9c][6d] Pot 6 SB
SB checks, BB checks, I bet, both call
[Ts] Pot 4.5 BB
Checked around
[Qs] Pot 4.5 BB
SB checks, BB bets, I fold - Figured someone HAD to have something calling on that board.


UTG+1 [As][Kc]
I raise, MP1 (17/4/30 200 hands) 3-bets, I call
[Td][Qs][3d] Pot 7.5 SB
I bet (Actually hit the wrong button - was playing another hand), he raises, I call
[Qc] Pot 5.75 BB
Check, check
[8s] Pot 5.75 BB
I bet - complete bluff of course, but my mistake on the flop actually scared him when top pair doubled on the turned and then the river completes a flush. He took his entire time before calling with [Ad][Ah]


[Ad][Ks] CO
MP1 (16/6/33 400 hands) limps, I raise, BB 3-bets, MP1 calls 2, I call
[7s][4c][9h] Pot 9.5 SB
Checked around
[7c] Pot 4.75 BB
Checked around
[2c] Pot 4.75 BB
Checked around
MP1 has [5c][5s]
BB has [Ah][Kh]
Should I have bet at any point here or is it likely MP1 calls me down anyway?


[Ad][Kh] UTG+1
UTG (28/1/35 250 hands) limps, I raise, SB (same as SB hand 1) calls, UTG calls
[7d][9h][3d] Pot 7 SB
SB checks, UTG checks, I bet, both call
[8h] Pot 5 BB
Checked around
[3c] Pot 5 BB
SB bets, UTG folds, I call
This time I called because SB had seen me do this and fold the first time + SB was losing every hand and only had $3.25 left after this bet so he could been tilting + flush draws missed so it coulda been a missed flush.
Good call or leak?
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Postby Pok 7's » Thu Mar 22, 2007 11:45 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:33 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:47 pm

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Postby antneye » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:51 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:40 pm

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Postby MTPaid » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:14 pm

NEVER MIND

FR, but only 6-handed at the moment......
[As][Kd] OTB.
MP (brand new) raises, I re-raise, MP calls
[7c][Kh][7d] Pot 7.5 SB
MP donks, I call
[Ac] Pot 4.75 BB
MP bets, I raise, MP 3-bets, I cap
[Ah] Pot 12.75 BB
MP bets, I raise, MP 3-bets, I cap

MP has [Ad][Kh]..........wait......no......MP has......[Ad][Th] :shock: :shock: :shock:

Now was this played too weakly? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Postby McNemo » Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:18 pm

I also think u can peel one in hand 4 after he raises the flop!

U actually get 9:1 on your money (and even a little more if u count both the blinds and discount the rake). Gut shot draw is 10.4:1 against improving. So one more bet after u hit is more then enough...
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