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Things that make you go... what?

Postby Ichoi » Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:48 am

Mid level suckers are rampant! Just played this hand and thought you might enjoy... Also incase anyone was wondering if there were suckers at the middle limits.


Party Poker 10/20 Hold'em (8 handed)


Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Ad], [Kd].
Hero raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 5 folds.

Flop: (5.50 SB) [Ks], [Ah], [2h] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (3.75 BB) [Qd] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (5.75 BB) [6h] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Ad Kd (two pair, aces and kings).
MP1 has Kh Th (flush, ace high).
Outcome: MP1 wins 7.75 BB.
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Postby Tiburon » Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:48 pm

Welcome to posting Ichoi!

The crappy thing is that other than the somewhat fishy call on the flop, it really wasn't that horrendous a play.

I wouldn't personally have called a UTG raise with KTs, unless you or the game had been shown to be extremely loose (though on a passive table, I may open-raise with it in LP).

Pre-Flop, you were a 2.43-to-1 favorite. On the flop from his perspective, he hit his K with a decent kicker and picked up a second-nut flush draw. Again, I wouldn't have been there to begin with, so I'm speculating. He figured you on the ace definitely.

After the flop, you were a 1.87-to-1 favorite. The turn gave him a ton of outs actually. He likely didn't have you on AK at all and if he did, tag him and put him on your buddy list.

After the turn card, you were a 2.66-to-1 favorite, but from his perspective, he had 9 outs for the flush (any heart, assuming you had Ax), 3 more (any J) for the straight, and potentially 3 more to make two pair (any T), and 2 more to make trips (any K). If he doesn't have you on two pair (A-rag suited), he's looking at a truckload of false outs. Basically, in his mind, any paint helps him other than a Q.

He was afraid of you hitting a flush if your ace was a heart, but just calling the whole way was using his position to his advantage.

Bottom line: It was fishy. Real fishy, but I can see where a <*)))>< would want to call those bets. Just know he didn't put you on AK.
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Postby Nortonesque » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:16 pm

Heh, people cold call with KT at the 10/20 -- that's good to know Ichoi. What's your story -- how long have you been at the 10/20?
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Postby Tiburon » Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:17 pm

Norton--

at least it was s000ted! :twisted:
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Postby piersmajestyk » Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:42 pm

The fishy part of the equation is that he failed to raise with the nuts on the river :shock:
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Postby Ichoi » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:07 am

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Postby Ichoi » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:18 am

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Postby Ichoi » Tue Jun 07, 2005 4:13 pm

Today I was testing the waters at the 20/40 tables and played this hand. (Note: the table had grown short)

Again, the worst part of this hand is the river play.

Party Poker 20/40 Hold'em (5 handed)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Kh], [Ts].
Hero raises, 1 fold, Button 3-bets, SB calls, 1 fold, Hero calls.

Flop: (10 SB) [Kd], [9h], [6d] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: (6 BB) [3d] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (8 BB) [8c] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 10 BB

Results in white below:
Hero has Kh Ts (one pair, kings).
Button has 4h 7c (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins 10 BB.
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Postby BKAZ » Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:15 am

:shock:

Wow,

What did he put you on, he missed his gut shot on the river and still called you down. Didn't try to scare you off when the flush hit with a raise either?
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