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$200NL Stars. 3-bet pot, turned draw OOP

Postby ToastedMoses » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:08 pm

Villain in this hand is playing like 25/23.5/3.5 with a 40% steal percentage and flop and turn aggression of about 5. I'm running at around 22/17/3. Villain has played fairly laggish but not terribly out of line. No other history to this point.

$255 effective. I 3-bet pre with 64hh and villain calls. I bet with gutshot on dryish board and villain calls. Turn adds a FD to my gutshot. What is your turn line?

POKERSTARS GAME #11730476344: HOLD'EM NO LIMIT ($1/$2) - 2007/08/27 - 22:18:55 (ET)
Table 'Cassiopea V' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: JonnyCosMo ($344.15 in chips)
Seat 2: nsd4eva ($529.25 in chips)
Seat 4: TheAwfulDin ($255 in chips)
Seat 5: pocketcrabs3 ($240.05 in chips)
Seat 6: Trans Canada ($93.85 in chips)
TheAwfulDin: posts small blind $1
pocketcrabs3: posts big blind $2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheAwfulDin [6h 4h]
Trans Canada: folds
JonnyCosMo: folds
nsd4eva: raises $5 to $7
TheAwfulDin: raises $17 to $24
pocketcrabs3: folds
nsd4eva: calls $17
*** FLOP *** [7h 3s 9d]
TheAwfulDin: bets $32
nsd4eva: calls $32
*** TURN *** [7h 3s 9d] [Kh]
TheAwfulDin: ???
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Postby The Golden 1 » Sat Sep 15, 2007 1:47 pm

This looks like a great bluff card to me. I'd probably bet $70.

I probably wouldn't mind a CR all in though, provided he isn't enough of a showdown guy to call the CR with JJ or QQ. In fact now thinking about it more considering his aggression I'm digging the CR all in, provided he bets something around 65-80 and not like $50 or full pot. Probably don't have enough of a read to know how much of pot he'd probably be betting the turn here I assume? It would help some.
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Postby DoctorHandles » Sat Sep 15, 2007 6:06 pm

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Postby hard2tel » Sat Sep 15, 2007 7:57 pm

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Postby Xaston » Sat Sep 15, 2007 8:21 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Sat Sep 15, 2007 10:07 pm

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Postby ToastedMoses » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:28 am

The turn does look like a good card to bluff but if you lead for $80 or less and he shoves then its a fold yeh? A larger bet commits you to the hand (which seems like a mistake to me) but for $80 or so youre not getting the necessary 3-1 to call.

When I first started thinking about the hand I thought that with his aggression he'd likely bet out the turn a high%, at least sets/2pr, 9x, TT+ and air. And that a CR would fold out everything less than AK. However, the more I think about the more inclined I am to agree with Xaston that he really may not be betting much on this turn and those hands that will bet the turn aren't folding to a CR.

However, if he is checking back a decent amount, a turn check seems like at least a decent secondary line (to betting out turn.) It lets me see the river cheap sometimes and gives me a chance to hit a lot of hidden outs (BDFlush and gutshot) which are likely to get paid off well. Also it opens the line of a CR river bluff against a fairly likely value bet by those hands that didn't want to get blown off the turn.

In the actual hand I did lead for $74 leaving $130 behind. He did shove and I folded. At the time I thought it was a good card to bluff/2nd barrel and I still think this is true but in retrospect it also seems like I opened myself up to getting put in a bad spot by villain.

Thoughts? Also I;m interested in hearing more comments on preflop. I would probably 3-bet a hand like this 30% of the time, fold 60% and call 10%. How does this look? Should my call% go up here as stack sizes go up?
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Postby WayToGo » Sun Sep 16, 2007 9:37 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:19 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Zmej » Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:17 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:10 pm

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby ToastedMoses » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:02 pm

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Postby DoctorHandles » Mon Sep 17, 2007 3:16 pm

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