This just never works out for me. Was this just bad because the board was paired and the bettor was a blind?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (9 handed)

UTG+1 ($47.75)
MP1 ($60.4)
MP2 ($42.15)
Hero ($49.25)
CO ($47.6)
Button ($61.35)
SB ($51.15)
BB ($38.75)
UTG ($28)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with , .
2 folds, MP1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.50, 2 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2) , , (4 players)
SB bets $2, BB folds, MP1 folds, Hero raises to $6, SB raises to $10, Hero calls $4.

Turn: ($22) (2 players)
SB bets $10, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $32

Results in white below:
No showdown. SB wins $32.

well this is just one hand Briacheck, and the move doesn't always work. I think when you get min raised that is a great time to slow down. Pretty thin call on the turn. Today I called a min raise out of the blinds with a suited ace, bet my flush draw and somebody raised me enough that I could put him all in and make it look like a reasonable play. With a big hand. Guy folded and showed TPTK. It is just timing, and nothing is always guaranteed to work...that's why you are making your moves with outs

I like the play, except for the fact you could be drawing dead already.

Notice how the guy didn't raise you enough and gave you odds to call? They do this to me all the time. I like the play if the board isn't paired.

As iceman says min raise = monster. I put him on a 2, not the boat but I know what you mean about possibly drawing dead.

How would you have played it? Raise preflop? Just call the flop?

Brian I like yout play here, keep doing it. You are in postion more often than not that raise gets you to see a free turn card, the chance of drawing dead are so few I wouldnt even worry about it. With a 22k board if your oppponant has K2 from the blinds well that sucks, pay him off.

I am.

I like to be aggressive with draws when I am the pre-flop raiser and there is some money in the pot. This way I can represent a made hand like an overpair or TPTK and possibly win the pot with my raise. It dosent make sense to me to be aggressive with a draw in an unraised pot unless you are sure you are up against a player willing to fold a semi-strong hand. When involved in an unraised pot I will usually just try to see the next card at a profitable price.

good flops

YD

I think you make a really good point that I'm going to have to think more on Yogadude, but what about some of the sayings you always here, like "don't go broke in an unraised pot" that people say when they are talking about flopping reasonably strong hands like TPTK but you are against a larger field of players. While I can definitely see why it doesn't always make sense to get aggressive in an unraised pot with a draw, I think that your aggressiveness is probably more likely to fold off a better hand here than if it was a raised pot.

>>>>>>>>I think you make a really good point that I'm going to have to think more on Yogadude, but what about some of the sayings you always here, like "don't go broke in an unraised pot" that people say when they are talking about flopping reasonably strong hands like TPTK but you are against a larger field of players. While I can definitely see why it doesn't always make sense to get aggressive in an unraised pot with a draw, I think that your aggressiveness is probably more likely to fold off a better hand here than if it was a raised pot. <<<<<<<<<,

That is a good point - most players seem more willing to stay involved if the pot has been raised and there is some meat in it so I agree with you when you say players are more inclined to call in raised pots and fold in unraised pots. I was talking about a specific situation - here is an example from a recent pot I played.

I raise with AJ of hearts one off the button and get called by an MP limper and the blinds. Because there are 4 callers pre-flop the pot definitely has some meat in it and if I hit the flop well I want that pot! The flop comes 10 high with 2 hearts. The MP player makes a pot sized bet and I have to decide to call or raise. If I call I may have to fold if he leads at me with another pot-sized bet on the turn. If I raise there is a good chance he will give it up since it clearly looks like I have a made hand as the pre-flop raiser and the last thing anybody would put you on is a draw. I raised, the MP player folded but I got called by one of the blinds. My raise put the caller all in since he was short stacked. The turn and river were 2 grapes and as it turned out I was up against a lower flush draw so I ended up winning this nice pot with just ace high! The MP player was moaning about how he folded K10 and should of called but felt for sure I had an overpair.

Like anything else in poker it is always purely situational. If the board came with 3 medium straightening cards, like 678 with 2 hearts and I have the heart draw I would be less inclined to raise the better because how could I get him to believe that a medium sized straightening board could help me as the pre-flop raiser?

hope this helps, sorry if it is not perfectly clear, i'm tired from a nite out.

gl

YD

While I do agree in princaple with YD, in this situation you are not up against a huge amount of players and you are drawing to a hand much stronger than TPTK. I like the raise here for two main reasons, one you can often win here without having the best hand. The BB player is just as likely to be playing K rag and a raise wins you the pot. 2nd as YD points out you want to see the next card for a profitbale price. well a $4 raise on the flop will a lot of times keep you from calling a bet bigger than $4 on the turn, plus if you hit your flush on the turn, it is a hidden hand since most player arent good enough to raise on the come. In this case Brians opponant most likely had a 2 not the K so he reriased, Brian is still getting odds to draw at his flush with the size of the reraise. Then he make the right play by not calling without odds to do so on the turn.