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Did I leave money on the table here?

Postby Rhound50 » Wed May 11, 2005 7:41 pm

The first raiser is a vyer loose player, had been raising with a whole array of hands, so I was pretty sure I had him beat, I was actually surprised that the 2nd player called. Should I have just called the raise??? I feel like I left money on the table here???


Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($112.33)
CO ($52.08)
Button ($37.92)
SB ($74.4)
BB ($87.55)
UTG ($78.98)
UTG+1 ($5.1)
Hero ($46.5)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Jc], [Jh]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG raises to $4, Hero calls $4, 2 folds, Button calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($12.75) [6s], [Qc], [Jd] (4 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, Button raises to $10, UTG folds, Hero calls $37.50 (All-In), Button folds.

Final Pot: $65.25

Hero doesn't show.
Outcome: Hero wins $65.25.
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Postby APerfect10 » Wed May 11, 2005 8:32 pm

Doubtful. I'm guessing the button didnt have a made hand (AK?) and was testing you. Most players at this level arent going to laydown a higher PP to your reraise on the flop. Maybe further along on the turn but if they have a made hand they are more than likely going to call that raise. By him folding, I'm 95% sure he had nothing.

If you could successfully put him on AK, AA, or KK and not a drawing hand, I would more than likely call his reraise, then check/raise the turn and put him all in. This ensure that you are squeezing out a few extra dollars from that guy who is overplaying his hand and if they have a made hand you can more than likely still get their stack anyways.

The downside to this strategey is being absolutely sure they have an over pair and are not drawing. The last thing you want to do is give a drawing hand free cards. The other downside to this is having a scare card hit on the turn. Say they are on KK and the turn bring an Ace? Or the turn brings that 3 card flush?

Its really a situational call for me; I do both depending on the player...
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Postby Stelvask » Wed May 11, 2005 9:18 pm

First of all, i don't like your flop bet. less than half the pot is a dangerous choice with QJ on board. Even though it's still a rainbow flop, you're leaving all kinda off odds for someone to outdraw you. AK may call you thinking he has the best hand, KT definatly will, as will T9. AT is a possibilitiy too. You're bet is way too small. Furthermore, if this is the bet you make when you flop a monster, people are going to pick up on this.

Before you make a bet like this, think to yourself 'what would i bet if i had aces here? how about AK? how about TT? " figure out hose bets, and i'm pretty sure you'll agree that $5 is way too little.

well, onto the button. He's likely to haveone of three hands.

A: AQ/AJ. you bet less than half the pot on the flop, and he could think that he has the best hand at this point against your TT or 99 or A or something to that effect. if he has half a brain you're all in tells him he doesn't have the best hand. However, if you flat call here, AK/AJ bets this turn, at which point you can move in on him. This is the only situation where you're definatly leaving money

B: a bluff. once again, less than half the pot on the flop. I still don't like this bet. if he's bluffing he might continue on the turn, but it's kinda doubtful

C: A semi-bluff. this is the most dangerous case if you had chosen to slowplay and smooth call his raise. THe only way you get more money out of the semi-bluff is if he hits, in which case you're in a lot of trouble. If he raised you with KT here and misses on the turn, he's checking behind you. If he hits the turn, he'll likely bet since his hand is well disguesed, at which point you'll probably raise and get all the money in as an underdog.
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Postby Bob314 » Wed May 11, 2005 9:24 pm

I think you left money on the table. You bet weakly then are instantly over the top of a raise? Screams strength.

The thing is that you are only really afraid of a hand like 9-10 because there is no flush draw yet. It is a rainbow board so give your opponent a little bit of rope. If you don't like the turn card you can still blow your cover and throw a bet in the middle to keep him from drawing out on you. Anything who has outs to you right here is drawing very thin so I think you can afford to try for a turn check-raise.
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Postby Gregor » Mon May 16, 2005 2:13 pm

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