Double stacked flush on paired board

[iceman5]

$100 NL 6 max at Cake.

I raise to $3.50 with [Js]. Button and SB both call. I have $200 as does the SB. Button has $80.

Pot $11. Flop [2s][2d]. SB checks and I bet $8. Button folds and SB calls.
Pot $27. Turn . Now he donks $5 into me. I raise to $22. He makes it $68

What do I do? WTF does he have?

[Triple B]

[GodlikeRoy]

[T-Rod]

[GodlikeRoy]

[iceman5]

How about explaining your logic in depth? Are you just not going to fold the nut flush no matter the action or stack sizes?

Is it his completly retarded line?

Why cant we be beat here?

[Triple B]

I think what GLR is saying (but I may be wrong) is we are trying to determine if we are ahead in this specific instance, when we should be acting against an opponents range.

I think once villain 3-towns us on the turn his range is pretty narrow. Obviously, the range that beats us is super narrow. So you can definately argue we are ahead of his range and therefore should shove before another spade kills our action. Its hard to say how reckless villain will be when he's this deep because we don't even know if he realizes that being deep changes things.

I will say that villain should lay down a baby flush on the turn if Ice shoves here.

[iceman5]

So youve seen lots of people play a small flush like this when double stacked then? I think he would try to get to showdown with a small flush because if we get all in for double stacks theres a very good chance I would have KK

How about someone calling a raise with a 2 which is rare and going balistic with a flush on the board? All the big spades are out so he isnt making a move with just a big spade.

His line is very strange which means there really no way to put him on a hand so by shoving, all we are doing is praying that we're ahead. People keep telling me to stop shoving when I will only get called by a hand that beats me (which I dont agree with most of the time), and this sure seesm like one of those times to me.

Do you think this is just one of the times where you write it off as a cooler? I rally hate doing that with double stacks. There should be a way to get away from losing 200BBs.

Maybe I shouldve just called his donk bet and tried to get to showdown? That seems really weak though.

[GodlikeRoy]

[iceman5]

[NorthView]

[iceman5]

I can get 30-50 at a time when I know where Im at by properly value betting, bluffing ect.

This hand is nothing but a guess whether he has a smaller flush or a boat and I dont have much invested right now.

[The Golden 1]

Using "how much I have invested" as a reasoning for play (not just you but I see it a lot) sounds like awful reasoning to me. Maybe its relevant in tourney poker, but in a cash game why does it matter at all?

[k3nt]

Gotta play for it all here. Call here and shove over any river bet or shove now, whatever. Actually I think I'd rather slowplay it and just call the raise, rather than shove now, because by shoving now you lose a bunch to bluffs and crap like [Qs] which is probably a smallish but real part of his range.

If the board was 8622 or something like that (with the pair coming on the turn and 3 sets available on the flop) that would be different. Here, KK is crazy unlikely and 22 or TT are both such mega-coolers I'm just not going to worry about it.

Ship a river if necessary obv.

[iceman5]