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Postby kennyg » Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:15 pm

1/2 Prima
I have a full stack. Opponent has $135. Dealt [Ts][9s] in LP. Two EP limpers. I call. SB folds. BB checks.

FLOP $9
[5h], [9c], [4c],

BB checks. EP limper checks. Muppet limper bets $6. I raise to $18. BB folds EP LIMPER CALLS A BET AND RAISE COLD. Muppet actually folds.

I say to myself, "I'm done with this hand."

TURN
[5h], [9c], [4c],[Td]

hmmm...crap. He checks. Now I have two pair. He must have AA..yes..must be AA or a draw! I take finger off the check button and bet $30. Opponent moves all=-in for $114. hmm...yeah...must be AA. I call.

RIVER
[5h], [9c], [4c],[Td] [Jd]

Opponent shows 44 and takes it down.

I type in nh and learn a lesson I apparently forgot. Don't mess with a guy who checks, smooth calls a bet and a raise. I should have checked the turn..and called a modest river bet. Stupid.
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Postby Jason D » Tue Jul 05, 2005 11:54 pm

I can see him cold calling the raise with a flush draw but when he reraises the turn you have to know you are beat. It is a tough situation when you are checked to on the turn. You would think that a set would come over top to freeze out a flush draw. I play a lot of flush draws by raising the flop to try for a free card. If I had a set in his position I would have reraised your flop raise, because I am afraid to let another card drop off in that spot.

It's really hard to check the turn there because it is likely he is on a club draw, so I would have bet too, but once he raises like that I can't see calling for all the chips.
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Postby poker2006 » Thu Jul 07, 2005 3:29 am

My theory is that "its always the 3rd guy". A muppet is in the hand, you raise because you know you have him beat, and the 3rd guy calls. I'm learning to notice this, but I used to think "why is this guy interfering, let me bet strong the turn so he gets out". You bet the turn and he raises you. At that point you realize that you are beat, but you call because of "odds" (read: because you're annoyed).

I had a number of sucky hands like that, especially when I follow a bad player to some table, I want to play him but I get others in the hands... Thks for the reminder Kenny :)
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Postby T-Rod » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:43 am

I cannot tell you how many times I have been ready to fold to a bet only to see the turn/river card fall and give me two pair (nevermind there was a flush or str8 draw there too) only to continue on and lose.

This is a big leak for me and I have a little post-it not reminding me not to push this.

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Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:35 pm

Don't lose your entire stack in an unraised pot or with only one pair.
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Postby kennyg » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:23 pm

Normally I can get away from hands like that easily. But there were so many draws out I felt I had to make a bet. I should have just checked th turn and made a call on the river. That is my normal play. I thought I was losing when I called...I just put so much money in already I convinced my hand to click call when i was 90% i was destoryed.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Jul 07, 2005 5:34 pm

I flopped a set of 2's MP1 and betting insued. The turn was a bad card - it put 3 to a low straight and 3 to a flush. I had one caller.

Bottom line is he got all my chips with [6h] [4h] UTG.

I could not fold my set :(

Here is the hand for the record.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

MP3 ($36.2)
CO ($24.8)
Button ($0)
SB ($23.3)
BB ($20.45)
UTG ($26.25)
UTG+1 ($5.65)
UTG+2 ($33.75)
Hero ($45.1)
MP2 ($24.4)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [2c], [2s]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $1, Hero calls $1, 5 folds.

Flop: ($2.35) [2d], [3d], [Qh] (3 players)
UTG+2 bets $1, Hero raises to $3, UTG+2 calls $2.

Turn: ($8.35) [5d] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, Hero bets $5, UTG+2 raises to $10, Hero calls $5.

River: ($28.35) [Kh] (3 players)
UTG+2 calls $19.75 (All-In), Hero calls $19.75.

Final Pot: $67.85

Results in white below:
UTG+2 has 6h 4h (straight, six high).
Hero has 2c 2s (three of a kind, twos).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $67.85.
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Postby kennyg » Thu Jul 07, 2005 6:56 pm

that min raise on the turn was a tell-tale sign. Go ahead and feel safe to fold to that river bet, when the board doesn't pair.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Thu Jul 07, 2005 7:55 pm

Thanks - that mimi-raise said 'call me'
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:51 am

I had the same thing happend to me but on the river not the flop.

I was just about to get up and watch some TV when this hand happened.

I was UTG with a marginal hand and I said to myself that this was a very dangerous hand to play at this point.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)

Hero ($136.95)
UTG+1 ($110.95)
MP1 ($81.35)
MP2 ($257.3)
MP3 ($239.45)
CO ($83.45)
Button ($101)
SB ($106.1)
BB ($112.5)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Ts], [Qs]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
Hero calls $1, 2 folds, MP2 calls $1, MP3 raises to $5, CO calls $5, 3 folds, Hero calls $4, MP2 calls $4.

Damn, a raise. I better fold this and get out of this pot. But, its suited and I might flop a monster.

Flop: ($21.50) [Qd], [2s], [7h] (4 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets $9, CO calls $9, Hero calls $9, MP2 folds.

Okay, I have top pair and no kicker. But, it is only 9$.

bad call - if I share a Q with one of them then I have 3 outs -15:1 and the pot is giving 5:1 with some implied odds. should have folded.

Turn: ($48.50) [Th] (3 players)
Hero bets $40, MP3 calls $40, CO calls $69.45 (All-In), Hero calls $29.45, MP3 calls $29.45.

Oh, XXXX. Now what. I got myself in a pickle. I am 90% sure I have the best hand now. I do not have enough money to get either of them to fold. So, I bet $40 to at least give some bad odds and maybe get a cheap look at the river. No, way.

Should have gone all-in if I was going to play. :( Mistake


River: ($256.85) [Kh] (3 players, 1 all-in)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $40

There were a bunch of blanks left in that deck and look what hits the river. I knew that when I started to play that marginal hand I was likely to lose a lot of my stack.

Now the pot is huge and it cost me $40 to see if my hand is any good. There are 3 hands that MP3 might have to beat me. AJ, two hearts or KK. I am pretty sure he has me beat but, big pot.

Hero calls.

MP3 shows [Ah] [Jh] for flush.

Co shows [Ac] [Qh]

OUCH - runner runner. No ten on the Turn and I am out of the pot.

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Postby k3nt » Fri Jul 08, 2005 12:12 pm

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Postby kennyg » Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:38 am

I would checkraise all in on the turn.


ACTUALLY> FOLD PREFLOP!!!! Being out of position killed you. This is why we fold junk in EP.
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Postby AlamdeaMike » Sat Jul 09, 2005 11:11 am

Remember I said that I felt that I should have folded this hand preflop. - Glad you agree with me. Thanks :)

A check raise would have worked but these two wer not going anywhere.
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