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Maniac, help!!!

Postby scarface » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:22 pm

Ok, I've never actually played against a maniac before, at least not one like this. This is my first table on Party by the way! So I sit down at a $25NL, there is a guy raising $2 on nearly every pot (literally, pisses away $70.99 in the 67 hands I get to see him play). So I figure, this is cool, I have to play tighter than normal and experience some swings, but here is a guy I can make some money off of, of course, since I'm posting this, I obviously didn't bust the guy out or anything, so I just wanted to post the 3 hands that I had against him for some advice:

(These are in order so that you can see the effect he had on my "game")
Hand #1

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP3 ($43.95)
CO ($29.75)
Button ($19.15)
SB ($19)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($55.9)
UTG+1 ($21.9)
MP1 ($145.05)
MP2 ($14.6)

Preflop: Hero is BB with [Qd], [Kh]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
3 folds, MP2 calls $0.25, 3 folds, SB (poster) completes, Hero raises to $0.75, MP2 calls $0.75, SB calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3) [3s], [8d], [3d] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, MP2 calls $3, SB folds.

Turn: ($9) [7s] (2 players)
Hero bets $2, MP2 calls $2.

River: ($13) [5c] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: $13

Results in white below:
Hero has Qd Kh (one pair, threes).
MP2 has 8c 4s (two pair, eights and threes).
Outcome: MP2 wins $13.


Hand #2

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

CO ($56.45)
Button ($3.3)
SB ($17.55)
BB ($18.75)
Hero ($24.53)
UTG+1 ($35.95)
MP1 ($144.87)
MP2 ($7.19)
MP3 ($35.65)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with [Ah], [Jh]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
Hero calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero calls $1.75, MP1 calls $1.75.

Flop: ($6.35) [3h], [9d], [6h] (3 players)
Hero bets $1, MP1 folds, MP3 calls $1.

Turn: ($8.35) [Qd] (2 players)
Hero bets $1, MP3 calls $1.

River: ($10.35) [Tc] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $5, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $15.35

Results in white below:
MP3 doesn't show.
Outcome: MP3 wins $15.35.


Hand #3

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 ($25.75)
MP3 ($6.3)
CO ($16.95)
Button ($18.85)
Hero ($25.25)
BB ($59.8)
UTG ($135.72)
UTG+1 ($5.84)
MP1 ($47.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Kh], [Ac]. Hero posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero (poster) calls $25.15 (All-In), 1 fold, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: $27.75

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $27.40.


Any comments good or bad is appreciated. Thanks!! :D

OT: I always get that song in my head when someone mentions the word "maniac", now it's stuck.

She's a maniac, maniac on the floor And she's dancing like she's never danced before
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Postby devilmollusk » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:31 pm

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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:43 pm

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Postby briachek » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:54 pm

hand 1: agree with above about KQ. Just check and look for a good flop. No need to make something out of nothing

hand 2: I've found limping UTG with AJ is marginal but not terrible, especially if they are suited. Just don't get attached to it. Next, I'm not concerned with how many hands he raises preflop, I wouldn't call a raise with AJs out of position. Then, if you are gonna bet your draw, make the same bets that you would have made if you had a hand and those bets should be 2/3 to a full pot bet. I'd rather bet my draws with position though because it puts you in a bad position if called.

Hand 3: don't play into his game by overbetting your good hands. That just shows you have given up on trying to play him postflop and want to get him in a coinflip situation.
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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:55 pm

Personally, I don't feel like you played any of these hands particularly well.

Hand 1: That should have hit the muck before the rest of the hand ever went down, you said yourself, tighter than usual, if raising KQo from bad position is tighter than usual, that's a bad sign.

Hand 2: One of the purposes of a semi-bluff is the opportunity to take down the pot immediately, your $1 bet will not accomplish that, ever.

Hand 3: If this bet gets called, you are going to be a small favorite or a big underdog, usually regardless of whether the guy is a maniac or not, you may get lucky and get up against AQ or something like that, but I would either flat call and be ready to push hard with an A or K on the flop, or make a moderate re-raise to make sure you isolate your opponent who you believe to have a worse hand than you.
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Postby scarface » Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:53 pm

First of all, I agree that none of the hands were played well, but I will explain my pathetic reasoning for the plays, even though they were pretty horrible.

Hand #1 I don't personally put much stock into KQos, but I had to believe that I had the best hand here, this guy limped, I didn't even know he knew how to limp, so he must have had utter crap (84os btw), my raise was hoping to fold him, which I later found out was next to impossible (like I said, I've never played someone like this before), or at least get heads up, which also didn't happen. I see now that checking and hitting a king or queen would have been much better.

Hand #2 By now I pretty much knew that I wasn't going to win the pot with a semi-bluff pot sized bet, so I figured I would bet smaller to keep from getting a pot sized bet thrown at me so I could draw cheaply, it seemed to work. If I know that I'm going to get called, should I still bet the pot, wouldn't this kill my odds?

Hand #3 Yeah, I flipped, I was eyeing the $2 and tired of missing my hands.

Again, I'm not defending any of my plays here, just giving some insight into my reasoning. MVP, you're right that he is a calling station after the flop, PT even lists him as a calling station even though he is PFR 68.66% and VP$IP 79.10 , so I guess that teaches me to never try to bluff this type of player. Thanks for the feedback!

Devilmollusk, I used "Jeremiah was a bullfrog", worked like a charm, thanks! :D

Jeremiah was a bullfrog, was a good friend of mine...
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:00 pm

Scarface... if you knew this guy was gonna call ANYTHING you bet, I wouldn't have played any of these hands past the flop... Wait till you've got 2pr or trips, and let him call you down and out of his money... Example... I GUARANTEE you that guy was playing his 84o or whatever in the first hand to the mattresses no matter what happened... So, wait till you've got A3, and make him pay...

The hard lesson I hope you learned here is that there is NO WAY to bluff off a calling station... Don't even bother.... There's nowhere I play more ABC than at Party...
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Postby scarface » Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:12 pm

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