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Postby iceman5 » Wed May 07, 2008 9:17 am

$1/$2 NL 6 max

Both players are TAGs playing around 20 / 13 or so. Both are solid and both are winners.

Cutoff raises to $7. SB repops him to $24. Cutoff calls.

Pot $50. Flop [Th][7s][6s]. BB checks. Cutoff checks behind.

At this point an observer probably puts SB on AK / AQ type hand with an occassional junk hand mixed in.

I would expect the cutoff to bet most of his range here so Im not sure hat he has. Maybe a draw that he doesnt want to get check raised off of? Personally I would bet a draw here and shove if I got check raised since theres a good chance BB has nothing.

Pot $50 Turn [2h]. SB checks, cutoff bets $38. Who thinks hes FOS here? Why wouldnt he bet the flop if he had any made hand?

SB now min check raises to $76. How often do you think that works as a total bluff based on the fact that the cutoff probably has nothing....or maybe something like 44?
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Postby iceman5 » Thu May 08, 2008 2:49 pm

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Postby phytopath » Thu May 08, 2008 5:58 pm

I never see these guys showing up with much here.

When there is an in position raiser and a call and the flop goes C/C the turn C/R in my experience is always a bluff. So unless they are thinking on multiple levels I put them both on next to nothing.

I'll say a good ace for the CO and a weak pair at best for the SB.
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Postby T-Rod » Fri May 09, 2008 7:02 am

The part that's throwing me in this hand is the 3bet preflop.

I think SB's CR might work as a bluff if it wasn't 3bet preflop. But since it was, you have the problem of the pot being much bigger (and a bluff raise having to be bigger).

Couldn't CO have something like JJ or 99 and he's afraid to bet on the flop because he was 3bet preflop (he is a TAG). After SB's flop check, now CO feels he's ahead and fires.
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Postby iceman5 » Fri May 09, 2008 7:40 am

Very few people would 3bet QQ+ preflop and then check that flop. Its way too drawy and you dont want to give a free card to AK. Knowing that, why wouldnt the cutoff bet the flop if he had JJ? He also wouldnt want to give a free card to the SB.

Some TAGs would check behind with 99 I guess, but alot would bet that also. They have a pair and gutshot and the SB has shown weakness after 3 betting preflop.
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