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Pre Flop Aggression, is 10% just too much

Postby greggabe » Tue May 31, 2005 12:39 pm

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Postby MecosKing » Tue May 31, 2005 1:05 pm

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Postby MecosKing » Tue May 31, 2005 1:18 pm

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Postby greggabe » Tue May 31, 2005 1:42 pm

I agree that taking down a small raised pot is a lot better than taking down a small unraised pot. My raises depend a lot on the situation. I will raise with as little as KJo or A10o in the CO or Button position. From early position I am a lot tighter, but this is somewhat table dependant too, if it's a tight table I may raise AQo in early position, but that is rare. I raise most pairs from mid-late position if folded to me and even sometimes with one limper, depending on the limper. Maybe the KJ raises and AQ early position raises are a bit much. I just read the "polyinominal graph" post and it appears the mathamatical conclusion is that you should be raising about 25%of the flops you enter so I may be raising a bit too much. I want to really wait and see what it looks like after 10K hands b/c it may even out a bit then. Regardless, this strategy has worked very well so far.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue May 31, 2005 2:00 pm

Aggression is a good thing, but if you are raising that much preflop and youre playing a good player, you wont be able to take those pots uncontested with 1/2 pot bets.

If Im playing you and you raise too much (and I think that IS too much). Im going to be reraising you preflop and on the flop, whether I hit the flop or not.

Now there arent that many players who are aware enough to do things like that so Im not saying it wont work, but beware when you get into the pot with some of the better players at the table.

I limp, reraised a guy all in for a full stack with AJs this morning because he was raising too much. I will reraise with much less than that in some cases depending on what kinds of hands hes raising with.
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Postby greggabe » Tue May 31, 2005 2:22 pm

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Postby Stelvask » Tue May 31, 2005 4:44 pm

to add on to ices last comment, if you're raising these non pairs, it's absolutely vital that you're able to get away from top pair here. when you raise these hands you may find yourself in a situation in which the strength of your opponents hand isn't clearly defined. that's why having position (and thus, only raising these in LP) becomes important.

If you raise with KJ and flop top pair, then sure, bet at it. But once you get called, you need to take a step back and re-evaluate the hand.

ALso, when you raise with something like 99, your overpair becomes highly dangerous. there's plenty of people who smooth call raises with any pocket pair below kings, and you may find yourself on a 743 flop and up against TT-QQ. be careful.

Other than that, there's nothing wrong with showing more aggression.

1: an observant player may start to give you more action. make sure to adjust your play accordingly against these types of players.
2: you'll pick up plenty of small pots
3: it's just more fun to be involved in pots as the aggressor than as the caller.

Like i said, the key to these hands is caution. you shouldn't be raising them every time, and when you do, don't overplay them, or you'll find that allt he profit you've made from raising KQs and winning small pots will be blown on the hand when you get called by AQ and get a Q high flop and you overvalue your top pair.
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Postby Yogadude » Tue May 31, 2005 7:14 pm

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Postby greggabe » Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:27 am

I agree that playing this way requires an ability to let hands go on the flop. I have only begun to really develop that ability so that's why I've begun to employ the strategy. Using bets to define your define your hand on the flop is critical. A lot of times in the KJ situation you set up if I am in position I will check behind on the turn, depending on the player and the flop texture. If I am unfortunately OOP with these hands I will lead out on the turn and fire a second barrell then shut it down when I get any more resisitance. There are too many people who will just start looking you up on the flop with second pair and crap like that when you start employing this hyper aggressive style.
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