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Severely outplayed, or severely unlucky?

Postby Suhleafs » Tue Mar 22, 2005 3:34 am

Ok wow, what a hand that just played out

I get aces for the 2nd time in 3 hands in the SB
.5/1 Prima NL

about 5 players limp, a solid player raises to 7, I decide to just call for the following reasons:

A) It disguises my hand, so I can go for a check-raise on the flop.

B) I noticed that a couple of the limpers had short stacks (In the 10-15 range), so that if they were going to play the pot and call the raise, then they will most likely just push it all in. Then when it gets back around to me, I can re-raise it again with all the dead money in there.

One of the limpers goes all in for 12. A different limper behind him calls, then the button pushes all in for 108. I call, and the different limper folds.

Limper guy shows QQ
Button has KK!

Board

J T 6,

a 9 hit the turn and my heart just about stopped as it gave the queens more outs, but thank the Lord another jack came on the river.

I then get ripped by the Kings guy, he's going on about how "omg you were soooooo lucky that you had aces, this is bs bla bla :( :( "

So then I pull my trusty needle out to say "Well I completely outplayed you on that one, no reason for you to be whining"

Him: Well there was NOOOO way for me to know that you had aces!

me: Which is EXACTLY why I outplayed you!
This was coming from a guy that I play with quite frequently and he's a decent player too. Which is why I found it kinda surprising that he started sounding like a beginner.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Mar 22, 2005 8:32 am

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Postby Gregor » Tue Mar 22, 2005 10:08 am

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Postby eliteprodigy » Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:14 pm

I drop my aces on that flop. I think you got lucky for them to be holding what they were holding. They could have easily hit J10 2pair or a set. If your going to slowroll the aces you have to be willing to drop them on a coordinated board that many hands could have hit, a bet call and re-raise all-in, I'm not sure if I'm willing to risk all my chips with just a pair here. I'ld rather take it down preflop (ie: in this case you would have got the chips in with the best hand most likly preflop), than play a 4-way pot for all my chips and not much information to where I'm at.
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Postby Mad Genius » Tue Mar 22, 2005 1:19 pm

elite,

If I am correct all the betting happened preflop. Which means that schuleafs obviously made the correct call with aces.
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Postby Suhleafs » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:06 pm

Yeah, all the action was preflop.
But I only called because I'm sure someone that was short-stacked would like their "odds" of tripling or quadrupling through if they went all in for their last bit of cash.

I also thought that, if the guy with kings re-reraised to say 40, then I went all in for my 110 or whatever I had, then wouldn't it be obvious to the guy that I have the aces?
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Postby eliteprodigy » Tue Mar 22, 2005 2:55 pm

O sry my bad. I thought they just called called including u a 7 dollar raise pf and all the action happened on flop
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Postby Yogadude » Thu Mar 24, 2005 1:39 pm

If the original raiser has a full buy in it would be mandatory for me to re-raise on the flop regardless of the limpers. It's just my style but in the $100 buy in game I play if I am against a player with $100 and I have the same I dont want to give him a free shot at hitting a set and busting me when I could of re-raised him and made him pay to draw. Glad it turned out well for ya though.

Funny thing is I play QQ totally differently. If the same player raised here then I would smooth call and not push until I saw a safe flop and even then I am willing to let go if my opponent is pushing pot sized bets into a field.

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