The ep min raise was semi solid but really just an average player. Nothing good or bad about him for the most part

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (10 handed)

UTG+1 ($28)
UTG+2 ($50.15)
MP1 ($29.38)
MP2 ($95.57)
MP3 ($50.15)
CO ($47.95)
Hero ($57.95)
SB ($48.5)
BB ($45.35)
UTG ($30.4)

Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, UTG+2 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 2 folds, Hero calls $1, SB calls $0.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.50.

Flop: ($5.50) , , (5 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets $3, MP2 raises to $8, Hero raises to $22, SB folds, UTG folds, UTG+2 raises to $36, MP2 folds, Hero ????

MP2 is a LAG so I didn't worry about him too much but more money in the pot would have been nice. What do you think of my flop raise? Once the UTG+2 raises again, a red flag went up. Should I have folded this? It starts to smell of QQ. He min raised my reraise too. Is there any option but to go all in at this point?

No, theres no other option. Hes more likely to have [Kh], AA, KK or just AQ, than he is to have QQ.

Agree... you only lose to one hand at this point... and you can't play THAT scared... set over set sucks when it happens, and is just about i'mpossible to get away from... But, like Ice said, there's WAY more hands he could have you got beat than the one you dont...

I'd push...

Just think hell... you still have one out if he has QQ

haha..obviously you can't fold this...there is only one hand beating you

On the other hand I can't see how he can have any other hand than QQ there. Not saying I would fold but I would expect to be up against QQ 9 times out of 10. I mean... I wish I would fold and folding would probably be right, I just can't bring myself to do it.

I don't agree... There's TONS of players who would play like this w/ AQ, KQ, or a high flush draw...

Yeah but those are called "muppets" and in the original post the guy making the re-raise is characterised as "semi solid". If indeed the player is semi solid, I don't see how he can encourage that much action with only TP, and with a draw he should either have pushed or called, no?

I'm not saying I'm in love w/ his play (he basically minraised twice...), but at the 50NL game on Party, these people wouldn't lay down TP on a AKQJ single suited board... And, if I was in his position w/ AA or KK, I wouldn't give up on this hand (I would've raised more PF and the flop)... Does that make me a muppet (I've been called worse, you should talk to my ex-girlfriends...)
What does his minraise really tell you? How many people would minraise UTG w/ Qs... All his betting really tells me is that he has what he considers a good hand... it could be anything from 2pr Q7 to trips to TPTK to a flush draw... If this was a 5/10NL game, it might mean something different, but at the 50NL, these people will chase just about anything...

Maybe you're right. I just have a hard time seeing a "semi solid" player mini-reraise after that much action with only TP. For me, the mini-reraise is done when a player has the nuts and just wants to keep building a pot without scaring people away. If he has AA/KK/AQ he should be either trying to scare people off (all-in) or hoping for a not too expensive showdown (calling)... then again, I guess you see this sometimes with AA...

I note people that do min-raise QQ JJ, and assume they have AJs AQs or something similiar until I find out otherwise. If I find out the play AA and KK like this, which I see some of they get a greenlight for me to go ape on them there. I don't get away from middle set here and think I've only lost one for four of these in recent memory that had action like yours.

Ok, so after think, I decided to go all in and pay off QQ if he had it and he called. He had 33 which he min raised preflop only to have the worst flop for him and I got it all. The other player later said he had AQ so if I played it slower, i might have dragged the other guy in but I don't know what the 33 guy would have done when it got back to him.

Edit - I wanted to see if I worded my post like he did have QQ if it would affect people's decisions. Apparently, you guys all want me to push anyway.

Take this from a perpetually losing NL player, but I can't think, under any circumstance, on this board, to lay down trips... Maybe if the board was single suited, or straight-drawn, but with this... NO WAY!!!

If he raises utg+1 with 33 you may want to reconsider the "semi solid" read on him

This is interesting.

IMO, if you have bottom set, then maybe, just maybe, you can consider folding.

But middle pair you have to play, because even if you know for 100% that you're up against a set (which you don't -- he could be on the nut draw or two pair), you still have a 50/50 chance of winning. Like this time.

Semi-solid just means he has a hand that's better than TPTK here. You're still ahead of 3/4 of the possible hands he could have and should push.

Congrats on the hand, brian.

A follow-up question, if I might....

Assume that you are UTG+2 with bottom set here, and have a read that Brian is a solid player who reads BTP . Do you fold to his all-in re-raise on the flop?

stoneburg, I reevaluated my semi solid read on him right after the hand. He seemed to be good before that hand.

Kent,

If I was UTG+2 and I knew that my opponent was me from BTP, I would fold 33. He just called a raise preflop and then put in the 3rd bet on that flop. There isn't a real straight draw and I pretty sure he wouldn't put that much money in on a flush draw and 2 pair on that board isn't a consideration. Since he didn't reraise me preflop, I wouldn't put him on QQ so I can confidently put him on 77 and I would be able to fold my 33 to his initial reraise to $22