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Should I kick myself or applaud myself for this one??

Postby Rhound50 » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:01 am

2/4 NL $200 buy in. I have had a good day so far I'm up to $650, UTG has me covered and Mp just bought in for $200. I am in the BB with KK, UTG raises to $20, a pretty standard raise in this loose game. Two players call. Mp who I have played with a lot makes it $50. It folds to me I am pretty sure she has QQ or JJ or AK because she would have raised more she has had AA or the other KK. I decied to smooth call, If the A flops I'm gone is therer are all under cards I can probably get all her money. To my surprise UTG now makes it $150. everyone folds back to me. I have played with this guy pretty much all day he is a good tight player. He showed QQ after I reraise with KK earlier. I think about it and just call, really hoping the K will hit and I can double up. I really debated folding here, I had a really strong feeling that he had AA. The flop is 994, which I am positive didnt hit his hand. I fire out $100, he instantly goes all in. Oh crap now what. I think about it and fold face up. He shows me AA and mucks. I am glad I was able to not lose my whole stack on this hand. This is a fold I was not capable of making 6 months ago. What is still bothering me, is should I have folded preflop. i was 90% sure he has AA. I was sure he wouldnt have reraise against a reraise and a call with anything but AA.
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Postby kennyg » Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:26 am

I think you need to be very sure of your read here to call. Also you need a big bankroll to handle a hand like this. I think if my stack got this big..I'd probably leave and reload...just too risky for my tastes (but to each his own.). This is one of those incredibly rare spots I fold KK preflop.

I don't understand your flop bet. It's been raised $150 preflop then you only fiire $100? He will come overtop of that with many hands, including JJ and QQ.,KK and possibly AK. If you had flopped trips...this weak lead would have been golden....that bet is just asking to be raised.
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Postby Rhound50 » Tue Feb 08, 2005 1:33 pm

Kenny I was really hoping that the $100 would work as a blocking bet and that if he had QQ he would just call and check it down. I wasnt worried about Ak or a bluff here. This guy was a tight player and there is no way he would have reraise preflop with AK. My only hope was that he has QQ and would just call or kk.

I do understand what you are saying about leaving when I have this kind of stack so I dont risk losing $600 on one hand, but here is the thing. If this table had been a bunch of good players with big stacks I'm gone. I take my $400 in profit and call it a good day. This was not the case here. There were a few good players at the table, and this kid was the only one who had me even close to covered. There was one other big stack at the table who was a horrible player. He trippled up calling two players all in for the $300 he had in front of him with A/3 suited and flopped the wheel to bust AA and QQ. This kid loved to bluff and overbet pots. He is the perfect mark, I just wanted one hand where I flopped a set vs his 2 pair or overpair or catch him betting $200 into a pot to steal $50 and I double up and go home up a grand.

On a larger scale this is a hand that both shows my progress and shows my need for improvement. 6 months or a year ago I lose all my money on this hand, so I'm happy to see my play has improved. At the same time I lost $200 on this hand that I shouldnt have. I made a very good read here and then ignored my insticts and it cost me money. Top level poker can lay down big hands when they know they are beat, which I wasn't able to do preflop. There is no way I should just call here preflop, I am not getting odds to play for a set if I had thought my hand was the best I should have pushed all in, I was very sure he had AA I should have folded.
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Postby Stapher » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:15 pm

Hey Rhound50,

This hand wasn't as bad as it could've been. The only question I have is if you think this guy is a good tight player and you put him on AA, then why call with your KK? It looks to me that preflop you thought the hand out well and figured what he was holding, the only problem is that you still didn't want to believe it. I don't think that the call on the flop was that bad considering your pot odds and how much you already had in there, but the only card you're looking to hit is a king. If the K doesn't hit you should just give up right there. This isn't a huge complicated leak you need to fix. It'll just take some disipline on your part. I've found myself doing this exact same thing with big hands and I think folding has saved me alot of money. Have a nice day :D
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Postby Rhound50 » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:21 pm

Stapher, you pretty much hit the nail on the head. Why call preflop no odds to draw to a set and I think I'm behind, even if he has QQ and pushes all in I'm still going to fold. Your quote is right on too. Even if I have the best hand here, I dont want to push all my chips in here so folding the best hand is not the end of the world is only loses me $50 chips, instead of losing $250 by calling and betting knowing I wasnt going to call a reraise.
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Postby Stapher » Tue Feb 08, 2005 4:05 pm

Rhound50,
LOL. I'm glad you see it my way. Lets me know I'm not always wrong. :) Have a nice day :D
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