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Somehow I knew pt. II

Postby Mad Genius » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:50 am

This guy must have been pissed after I called him because he had been folding to me for the past hour and playing fairly tight in general. Read him for AThh FWIW.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed)

Hero ($1042.80)
Button ($174.30)
SB ($545.35)
BB ($150.10)
UTG ($194.40)
MP ($194)

Preflop: Hero is CO with [Ac], [Kh].
UTG calls $4, 1 fold, Hero raises to $16, Button calls $16, 2 folds, UTG calls $12.

Flop: ($54) [7c], [Jh], [Qd] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($54) [5h] (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, Button bets $24, UTG folds, Hero calls $24.

River: ($102) [2s] (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $44, Hero calls $44.

Final Pot: $190

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac Kh (high card, ace).
Button has 9h Ah (high card, ace).
Outcome: Hero wins $190.
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Postby kennyg » Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:15 am

Nice result...but man...i don't like it.

talk about high varience!
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Re: Somehow I knew pt. II

Postby Gnosis » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:11 am

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Re: Somehow I knew pt. II

Postby rdale » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:11 pm

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Re: Somehow I knew pt. II

Postby rdale » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:17 pm

I will like this play if.... you can tell me the reasoning you had for deducing AT from two previous plays he made. I am fond of making calls/raises based on my read, as I tend to trust it a bunch, but like to have it confirmed when I'm not in a hand, and then use it for guidance.

I don't think meta-game matters with these sized stacks so much as a couple of them will be gone in the next 30 hands. So showing them that you will call them down with A high doesn't really matter to any one except the SB, who you are probably going to give some credit to unless he forest gumped the 140.
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Postby Mad Genius » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:37 pm

Okay. These things are more instinct than anything as you know (based on your feel of the opponent), but in this specific case I could explain this. Villian in the hand was not the type to slowplay. He was basically very straightforward, and would bet (or call/raise if I bet into him) when he hit the flop or check-fold if he missed. On that flop, if he had AQ/KQ or AJ/KJ I would expect him to have bet. He didn't which tells me he most likely missed it. Now on the turn the 5h hits and we check to him again, he makes a small bet. This tells me he's making a stealing bet with a mediocre hand (such as a medium pp) or he is betting on the heart draw that just hit. On the river I check to him yet again. At this point he would check behind with a Jack, a medium pocket pair, a 7, or any other hand that has showdown value. I don't need to get into this as it should be obvious why he would check these holdings. From previous experience I knew he would have played Top Pair faster, although if he had bet the flop then I would give him credit for a Q when he bets the river. Logically, I could only put him on two hands: a missed flush draw or a set of 5s (with a small outside chance of a flopped set, although as I pointed out he wasn't the type to slowplay). His river bet looked like a standard bluff with a missed draw. He doesn't bet too little but doesn't make a big bet, correctly putting me on a weak hand and hoping to steal the pot. I'm getting 149 - 44 on my call; those odds are very good and even though I expect to be shown a big hand here once in a while, I think the call is easily +EV.

Kenny, the variance does increase, but if the play is +EV how in the World should you not make it? I don't care if my swings are bigger because I have more than enough to play 2/4 and variance really isn't a factor - how much profit is made in the end is.
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Postby kennyg » Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:48 pm

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