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The trouble with kings......again

Postby Jux » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:15 pm

GT+ shows villain as LA

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

Hero ($49)
BB ($83.11)
UTG ($38.2)
UTG+1 ($43.25)
Villain ($40.85)
MP1 ($27.32)
MP2 ($50)
MP3 ($116.42)
CO ($48.5)
Button ($71.1)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [Kc], [Kd]. Hero posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, Villain raises to $1, 4 folds, Button calls $1, Hero (poster) raises to $1.75, 1 fold, Villain calls $1, Button calls $1.

Flop: ($6.50) [5h], [4c], [Jc] (3 players)
Hero bets $6, Villain calls $6, Button folds.

Even though Villain is LA, I don't think he would raise with 4's or 5's. JJ is a slight possibility. I put him on either TP or a straight/flush draw.

Turn: ($18.50) [9d] (2 players)
Hero bets $15, Villain calls $15.

Turn seems to be a blank. Don't think Villain has a set because he probably would have re-raised me by now. I still think he's calling with TP or a straight/flush draw.

River: ($48.50) [6h] (2 players)
Hero calls $26 (All-In), Villain calls $17.85 (All-In).

Definitely a card I'm not too happy about. I'm not to happy about the all-in play either but I didn't want to check call. I didn't think Villain had a set, so only the hands I'm worried about are 23 and 78.

Final Pot: $92.35

Results in white below:
Hero has Kc Kd (one pair, kings).
Villain has 8h 7h (straight, nine high).
Outcome: Villain wins $84.20. Hero wins $8.15.



What would you guys have done in my position?
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Postby laynegt » Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:46 pm

the little reraise pf, that is a big pet peeve of mine...make it a real raise, try to get it heads up, especially b/c you'll be first to act. good players know you have a big hand here anyway w/ that little reraise, make them pay to see the flop. [edited] or smooth call if you're trying to be deceptive.

the offsuit 9 and 6 are great board cards for you, i would be much less afraid of 32 than a flush draw; 87 is not really conceivable unless it's [8c][7c] in which case an aggressive player likely would've raised you on the flop. betting all the way down here is fine against a loose opponent, I would've figured he had AJs or something if i didn't see the results. opponent was terrible, add him to your buddy list.
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Postby poker2006 » Fri Jun 10, 2005 4:26 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:20 pm

Hands like this are exactly why I like to raise with suited connectors. You only min raised him which tells him you have AA or KK. Now he knows he will stack you if he hits and you didnt make him pay enough preflop.

Thats why you have to reraise much more. Same thing if he had JJ. You want him to pay much more preflop with JJ so that all the times he doesnt flop a J makes up for the one time he does.
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Postby Aisthesis » Sat Jun 11, 2005 9:00 am

Hmmmm...

Well, I don't like the minimum re-raise either and tend to agree with laynegt--if you want to play deceptively, just go with a flat call.

Before commenting further on the PF action, though, I'd like to note how crazily LAG played the flop and the turn. He's calling pot with just a gutshot on two streets (he admittedly also has the T on the turn)???!!! That's insane. I still don't like your river all-in, but I don't know enough about how the table was playing to say for sure.

I really think the best way to punish this kind of minimum re-raise is to not let them see a flop--hence, something like $4. The way this guy is playing, I almost think he'd call. And also, if this hand is typical of his play, I'd serious consider a moderate overbet on the flop (maybe $8 given the size of the pot the way you played it). I do like your large turn bet against chasers. If he was still in the hand with 99, he was drawing to a 2-outer.

Actually, I see several players who make these kinds of moves on hands like that (don't know how much of a read you could really have at this point), and I think the best way to slow them down is to bet particularly strongly when you're ahead, and, If possible, lay it down when you're behind. On the latter count, the main issue is then whether he'll bluff the river anyway. If so, you do have to call the river, I think--or perhaps continue to bet it, as you did. But the river situation is, I think, pretty read-dependent. The rest of the hand I think the main thing is to make stronger bets, even if it only means getting just the $2 already in out of your KK. But if I'm reading this guy right (as similar to one particular player I've been playing with), I think he'll call you still at $4, which is just fine.

This is also the kind of player against whom I think re-raising JJ isn't at all a bad move (possibly even TT).
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