Advanced search

Top pair and flush draw, is this too aggressive

Hand analysis. Post your trouble hands here

Moderators: iceman5, LPF Police Department

Top pair and flush draw, is this too aggressive

Postby greggabe » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:38 am

For some reason I don't have the hand history but this one is pretty easy to post. I know this type of hand has been discussed before but I am not sure what the consesus is on the proper way to play them. NL 100 we both have about $100 stacks.

I am in MP with QhJh, folded to me, I raise to $4. Get one caller behind.

Pot $9. Flop Jd6h4h. I lead out for $7 and he min raises to $14. Ok so I am obviously not folding here, and I figured calling is just to weak with this hand (maybe I am wrong) soI thought about just a regular raise to about $30-35 or so. Then I thought if I do that and he calls or raises we are likely getting it all in anyways by the turn right? So I push, he calls. Turn Jd, river brick. He turns over 44 and takes down a good pot.

As it came out I don't think there was much I could have done to save money here because with that turn card my money was going in anyways. However, if it had come brick, brick I could have probably saved some cash by check calling the turn and dumping the river. But that just seems like a very weak way to play this hand. Then again I am pretty sure that just pushing this hand every time is probably not the smartest way to play it either. So what do you guys think?
User avatar
greggabe
 
Posts: 158
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 2:45 am

Postby Stoneburg » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:15 pm

I would prefer limping this hand to begin with. If I am going to raise a suited connector I prefer it to be lower, so there is less chance my cards are dominated and my hand is better concealed. With a hand such as QJ your opponent will probably play it correctly against you. I'd raise it in CO and OTB if it was folded to me of course.

If you decide to raise it, you must bet this flop with your TP. When you get min-cheki-raised you must assume that your opponent can beat TP, actually, you're most likely up against a monster, which would be a set on this board. If he mini-check-raises you (and he's not a muppet or maniac) he's extremely unlikely to fold his hand, so you get almost no fold equity, which is what you're after when you push with a draw, thus, you're better off calling since the mini-raise gives you the (almost) correct odds. I'd go defensive here and play ABC poker, if he gives me the odds to chase, I will, If he doesn't, you're better off folding.

He *could* also be doing this with the nut flush draw and/or a combination draw, like [5h] [7h] but usually the CR will be bigger (all-in) with one of those hands that you can actually beat.
User avatar
Stoneburg
 
Posts: 5931
Joined: Mon May 09, 2005 9:03 pm
Location: Sweden

Postby greggabe » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:39 pm

Thanks for the response Stoneberg. I have been studying my ass off lately and haven't had much chance to play and kind of just felt like gambling it up at that point, probably not very wise. The min raise really should have clued me into the fact that he had a bigger hand than top pair or overpair. Even though I am behind to overpairs and the other likely top pair hands I am not as worried about those as I am a set, and the min raise should have had me thinking set.

But that being said it still puts you in a bad spot to just call and then check the turn if a blank comes and he throws a big bet out there right? I guess at that point you just have to dump the hand. Of course as it played out I wouldn't have dumped on that turn.

Does anyone think the all in is a reasonable play here? Would it be more reasonable had the villian made a more defensive raise of 2 or 3 times my bet?
User avatar
greggabe
 
Posts: 158
Joined: Tue May 31, 2005 2:45 am

Postby k3nt » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:32 pm

User avatar
k3nt
Enthusiast (Online)
 
Posts: 6710
Joined: Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:27 pm


Return to No Limit Hold'em Cash Games

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests