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Should I be overly suspicious. This is just plain wrong.

Postby MTPaid » Tue Feb 05, 2008 11:21 pm

I've had my suspicions about Full Tilt in the first place. There seems to be some kind of bullshit going on every hand. But what I saw in this tournament today was just way to over the top. How statistically improbable are the things that I'm witnessing?

1st hand of a tournament, guy open-shoves for 1500, everyone folds.

2nd hand of the tournament, he does it again and gets called by KK.
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Satellite to FTOPS Event #1
9 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG (1500)
UTG+1 (1500)
MP1 (1545)
MP2 (1500)
MP3 (1500)
CO (1500)
Hero (1485)
SB (1470)
BB (1500)

Blinds: 15/30

Pre-flop: (45, 9 players) Hero is BTN [4s][8c]
SB says "ah nh", UTG raises to 120, 1 fold, MP1 goes all-in 1545, 3 folds, Hero folds, SB calls 1455, 1 fold, UTG folds
ImageImage 87.30% (EV = $1307.89)
ImageImage 12.70% (EV = -$1156.38)

Flop: [3c][7d][Qd] (3182, 2 players)
ImageImage 81.60% (EV = $2602.22)
ImageImage 18.40% (EV = $563.04)

Turn: [Js] (3189, 2 players)
ImageImage 88.60% (EV = $2831.66)
ImageImage 11.40% (EV = $348.84)

River: [3d] (3196, 2 players)
ImageImage 0.00% (EV = $0.00)
ImageImage 100.00% (EV = $3060.00)

Final Pot: 3090
SB shows: [Kc][Kh]
MP1 shows: [3s][9c]

MP1 wins 3165 ( won +1620 )
SB lost -1470
UTG lost -120


Wow. Ok, maybe that's gonna happen once in a rare while, but take a look at this.
forum/viewtopic.php?t=29442
This is the 3rd time I've seen someone go out of their mind nuts with 93 in the past few weeks and they were crushed all 3 times.
They WON all 3 times.

Not done. Not nearly........

Hand 3 - folded
Hand 4 - normal raise, everyone folds
Hand 5 - in BB, shove vs PFR - called by AK. He hits flush with J8o
So far we've got 13%, 31% - win, win

Hand 6 - Open-shove again, all fold
Hand 7 - folded
Hand 8 - open-min-raise, all fold
Hand 9 - normal raise, all fold
Hand 10 - re-raise shove, his A7o loses to 99.
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L)

Hand 11 - 3% on the flop, but we'll give him the full 45% he had when he got it in preflop.
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Satellite to FTOPS Event #1
8 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG (1455)
UTG+1 (3265)
MP1 (1380)
MP2 (1440)
CO (1635)
Hero (1440)
SB (1425)
BB (3005)

Blinds: 15/30

Pre-flop: (45, 8 players) Hero is BTN [Jh][5d]
UTG calls 30, UTG+1 goes all-in 3265, 3 folds, Hero folds, 2 folds, UTG calls 1425
ImageImage 55.20% (EV = $1186.32)
ImageImage 44.80% (EV = -$1130.28)

Flop: [6d][4h][8s] (4785, 2 players)
ImageImage 96.80% (EV = $4639.62)
ImageImage 3.20% (EV = $152.48)

Turn: [7s] (4793, 2 players)
ImageImage 81.80% (EV = $3920.67)
ImageImage 18.20% (EV = $867.23)

River: [Th] (4793, 2 players)
ImageImage 0.00% (EV = $0.00)
ImageImage 100.00% (EV = $4765.00)

Final Pot: 2955
UTG shows: [6h][6c]
UTG+1 shows: [Kd][9s]

UTG+1 wins 4765 ( won +1500 )
UTG lost -1455


13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W)

Hand 12: I limp call his shove from BB. My A9 > J6o
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L)

Hands 13, 14: Shove, all fold
Hand 15: 3-way all-in. Loses 84s to QQ and A9
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L)

Hands 16, 17, 18: Shove, all fold
Hand 19: Actually shoves and gets called by a worse hand. His Q5s > 87s of same suit
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W)

Hand 20: Gets called by ATo. His J4s is good.
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W), 39% (W)

Hand 21: shove, all fold
Hand 22: just calls raise, ch/fold flop
Hand 23: normal raise, checks down to river. hits straight, pushes, loses to BB J9o boat.
Hands 24, 25: shove, all fold
Hand 26: this is just a flat out joke. Not only is he now 2 for 2 against KK, but he's even dominated by the 3rd player and wins.
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W), 39% (W), 6% (W)

No Limit Holdem Tournament
Satellite to FTOPS Event #1
8 players
Converted at

Stacks:
UTG (2765)
UTG+1 (4320)
MP1 (5265)
MP2 (1275)
CO (3520)
BTN (1380)
Hero (2850)
BB (1120)

Blinds: 20/40

Pre-flop: (60, 8 players) Hero is SB [Qc][4c]
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to 120, MP1 goes all-in 5265, 1 fold, CO calls 3520, 1 fold, Hero folds, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls 4200
ImageImage 12.30% (EV = $1799.05)
ImageImage 59.00% (EV = $4405.51)
ImageImage 4.80% (EV = -$4632.12)
ImageImage 23.90% (EV = $14.57)

Flop: [4s][Tc][7h] (14789, 3 players)
ImageImage 70.00% (EV = $10357.20)
ImageImage 15.90% (EV = $2096.41)
ImageImage 14.10% (EV = $2086.24)

Turn: [9h] (14796, 3 players)
ImageImage 73.80% (EV = $10919.45)
ImageImage 14.30% (EV = $1885.45)
ImageImage 11.90% (EV = $1760.72)

River: [4d] (14796, 3 players)
ImageImage 0.00% (EV = $0.00)
ImageImage 100.00% (EV = $13185.00)
ImageImage 0.00% (EV = $0.00)

Final Pot: 12220
UTG+1 shows: [Kc][Kd]
MP1 shows: [4h][Jd]
CO shows: [Ad][Jc]

MP1 wins 13165 ( won +7900 )
UTG+1 lost -4320
CO lost -3520

Hand 27: reshoves over shove with 74o. Loses to flush vs KTs.
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W), 39% (W), 6% (W), 29% (L)

Notice how few flops are ever missed entirely.

Hands 28, 29: folds preflop
Hand 30: free ride in the BB
Hand 31: Shoves over PFR and PFRR. T6s > AKo
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W), 39% (W), 6% (W), 29% (L), 41% (W)

Hand 32: folds preflop
Hand 33: Limps in, calls, flop, turn, shoves river, opponent folds
Hand 34: shoves, all fold
Hand 35: folds preflop
Hand 36: open-shoves. I call with AJ and beat his Q8o.
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W), 39% (W), 6% (W), 29% (L), 41% (W), 36% (L)

Hand 37: Open-shoves. Gets called by KK and cracks the hand with 2 undercards for 3rd time. Q9s > KK.
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W), 39% (W), 6% (W), 29% (L), 41% (W), 36% (L), 20% (W)

Hand 38: Open shoves [Kc][8c], I call [Ac][Qs]. He wins, I'm done
13% (W), 31% (W), 30% (L), 45% (W), 37% (L), 16% (L), 56% (W), 39% (W), 6% (W), 29% (L), 41% (W), 36% (L), 20% (W), 38% (W)

His final stat in 40 hands in PT.
80/75 100 WTSD
He made the final table and won the seat.

In the 13 hands he got called all-in, he went 9-5 and was only a favorite in 1 (56%).
In order of lowest equity to highest......
6% - W
13% - W
16% - L
20% - W
29% - L
30% - L
31% - W
36% - L
37% - L
38% - W
39% - W
41% - W
45% - W
56% - W

So my question is, does Full Tilt ever get tired of their own bullshit?
He won 3 out of the 4 hands he got in 20% or less (I'm not even counting the one he got in at 45% but was like 3% after opponent flopped a set and he won that too)
He won 4 of the 7 hands he got in as 2 to 1 dog or worse
He won all 4 hands he got in 38% to 45% + the 1 he got in a slight favorite.

RNG investigation anyone?
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Postby MTPaid » Wed Feb 06, 2008 10:36 pm

I heard a rumor that someone claimed to have won with the best hand on Full Tilt last week. It's unconfirmed though.
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Postby stickdude » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:03 pm

"My name is Inigo Montoya. You cracked my Aces... prepare to die"
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Postby Bosox1 » Tue Feb 19, 2008 7:18 pm

"No, 'The stripper's bouncer beat the shit out of me' is not an acceptable answer"
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Re: Should I be overly suspicious. This is just plain wrong.

Postby redhouse » Wed Feb 20, 2008 3:24 pm

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Mekos King: truly has no purpose
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 2:16 am

"Its a pink handbag not backpack damn it." Godlikeroy

"From playing full tilt I wanna smash every garden gnome I see. That travelocity commercial puts me on instant tilt."
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Postby Semillon » Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:14 pm

If this didn't happen at times I would be concerned it wasn't random enough...
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sun Feb 24, 2008 4:41 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Xaston » Mon Feb 25, 2008 12:41 am

Boy, you got me confused with a man who repeats himself.
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Postby shamdonk » Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:55 am

Be glad your opponents refuse to fold; if they didn't, you just might go broke.


(9:00:09 PM) GodlikeRoy: i think you could prolly post total shit for the next 2 years aaaaand like 192 days and you'll still be considered 'posting good' cause of your threads that'll never be seen thread
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