Rules and Manners

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[TightWad]

Wolvish,

In the example hand you describe, I'm not sure how folding (when you're able to check) would be any different than showing down a missed draw as far as maintaining an image is concerned. If you fold when you could've seen a free showdown, your opponents are going to put you on a missed draw anyway...and possibly even a worse draw than the one you actually had. So wouldn't your image be just as tarnished?

Just my thoughts, I fully admit I could be missing something.

-TW

[Johnny Hughes]

Back to the original question. Is it unethical or just rude to fold when there is no bet to you???? I have never seen anyone do this in a tournament on TV.

I play live games. In my opinion, it is very important to have good manners and be courteous to the other players if you are a regular player and a winner. In Texas, games are based on invitations since poker is illegal. If a few regular players want someone barred for rude behavior, they are out. When someone is rude, someone else might leave and this breaks up the game. You have all seen the situation in a casino where the rude, unmannered player runs off the live one, the big producer.

It is a known law of the universe that the bad players and suckers have worse manners than the good players. Bad players and rude people are both dumber than the winners in a game based on brain power. Bad manners are often evidence of tilt. There's a Texas rule, "Don't rib a loser." If you have any smart remarks, make them about the regular winners.

I have been guilty of being a poor loser. If I get angry, I know it is time to go.

People who are rude as part of their strategy are painting a huge bullseye on their chest. It is o.k. to do anything to these people to send them home broke. Other players frame up on them. They get barred or worse.....much worse. Casino employees have varied ways to deal with the incredibly rude...something weird in their drink, less protection. Rules go against the rude person. It is in your best interests to be as nice as you can around a gambling house.

My long term home game was a pure outlaw game. Hardly anyone had a job and nobody asked too many questions. I knew there were gamblers, loan sharks, thieves, bookies,ex-cons, ex-lawmen, and a handful of folks who had already killed someone. This was a very well mannered place. Everyone played exactly by the house rules.

When you are playing poker, there are eleven people sitting in a tight circle. One of them may be going through life trauma: a messy divorce, a crushing family tragedy, financial pressures.....gambler's ruin. As the old gambler's used to say, "Leave him alone, his tits are sore....he is hotter than a depot stove."

When you are trying to get a line on your opponent's play, manners are a real tell. Rude people are bad players or on tilt. They are basically angry either temporarily or permanently. Rude behavior is the outward display of inner discomfort. Rude people are unhappy at the poker table....and they should be.

[Cactus Jack]

[MecosKing]

Okay, so were at a 20/40 table in reno, and the pot was folded down to three people. (I.e. there was action). Then, this maniac (actually a good player but very loose/aggressive and also used to higher limits than 20/40) realizes that he only has on card in his hand.

But, what he says is 'oh but THIS is a GOOD card! Ill play this hand. Well, my buddy next to me was looking down at an AKs, and the other chick in the pot had AQo (so she said later). So, they are like, well, okay if he wants to then let him.

The dealer calls the floor, and the floor says that if everyone agrees, then fine. They both of course agree to play thier big aces against a maniac with only a single card. So, the maniac raises preflop with his 1card hand, AK 3 bets, AQ calls, and maniac calls.

FLop is Q66

maniac Checks, AK bets out, AQ flat calls (why??) Maniac raises the field, both call.

Turn K

Maniac bets, AK raises, the (alleged) AQ folds. Maniac 3 bets! AK is like WTF! And calls.

River blank

Maniac bets , AK calls. AK says Show me the six!

Maniac smiles, and slaps down the 6h.

SHIP IT!

From what i know and what everyone said later, the floor made a terrible ruling here and it was totally against the rules of the Nevada Gaming commission to have a one card holdem hand, and the hand was a dead hand, regardless of anyones agreeing /disagreeing/floors ruling, etc.

I tend to think this is true, but everyone laughed about it later and didnt raise a big stink or anything -- but it was one of the more amusing hands ive seen, and one that i can pretty much guarantee that i wont ever, EVER see again....

[semperfi]

Johnny, that is good stuff, and when I do get a chance to play live, I am the most well behaved boy at the table. online i routinely fold out of turn, and really doubt i will have trouble finding a game one day because of it. viva le difference, or however you spell that.

[excession]