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Ice, I didn't suggest the USA has killed 600,000 people in Iraq, but that's the number that an extrapolation of a large sample of eye witness accounts backed up by official death certificates gives.

Disagree with this statement if you can : "The USA was the prime mover behind the 2003 invasion of Iraq that, as the international community repeatedly warned would happen, has inexorably led to civil war and the deaths of more than 600,000 people."

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You'll never get from that statement to the "blood of 600,000 people " is on the hands of anyone who voted for Bush.

Also, extrapolation can be done by any number of different people with different agendas which will result in drastically different numbers. I dont believe 600,000 people have died in Iraq since 2003.

Especially not, 600,000 more than would normally die for various reasons in any given 4 year period in Iraq.

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I suppose this wil be discounted as baised reporting from a Communist newspaper:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 42_pf.html

"A team of American and Iraqi epidemiologists estimates that 655,000 more people have died in Iraq since coalition forces arrived in March 2003 than would have died if the invasion had not occurred."

"The same group in 2004 published an estimate of roughly 100,000 deaths in the first 18 months after the invasion. That figure was much higher than expected, and was controversial. The new study estimates that about 500,000 more Iraqis, both civilian and military, have died since then -- a finding likely to be equally controversial."

Both this and the earlier study are the only ones to estimate mortality in Iraq using scientific methods. The technique, called "cluster sampling," is used to estimate mortality in famines and after natural disasters.

While acknowledging that the estimate is large, the researchers believe it is sound for numerous reasons. The recent survey got the same estimate for immediate post-invasion deaths as the early survey, which gives the researchers confidence in the methods. The great majority of deaths were also substantiated by death certificates.

"We're very confident with the results," said Gilbert Burnham, a Johns Hopkins physician and epidemiologist."

"The interviewers asked for death certificates 87 percent of the time; when they did, more than 90 percent of households produced certificates.

According to the survey results, Iraq's mortality rate in the year before the invasion was 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people; in the post-invasion period it was 13.3 deaths per 1,000 people per year. The difference between these rates was used to calculate "excess deaths."

Of the 629 deaths reported, 87 percent occurred after the invasion. A little more than 75 percent of the dead were men, with a greater male preponderance after the invasion. For violent post-invasion deaths, the male-to-female ratio was 10-to-1, with most victims between 15 and 44 years old.

Gunshot wounds caused 56 percent of violent deaths, with car bombs and other explosions causing 14 percent, according to the survey results. Of the violent deaths that occurred after the invasion, 31 percent were caused by coalition forces or airstrikes, the respondents said.

Burnham said that the estimate of Iraq's pre-invasion death rate -- 5.5 deaths per 1,000 people -- found in both of the Hopkins surveys was roughly the same estimate used by the CIA and the U.S. Census Bureau. He said he believes that attests to the accuracy of his team's results."

As this was conducted over a year ago, the death toll now is probably more like 3/4 million.

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