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7-Stud hand - monster pot, but bad play?

Postby starstealer » Thu Apr 28, 2005 8:24 am

Okay, another stud hand. This one I think I really flubbed up, but let's see:

7 people in for $0.25 ante ($1.75 in the pot before the deal).

On third I have 3 clubs (Q72) with a 7 door card, the rest of the field is like this:

dealt to playerA [4h]
dealt to playerB [7d]
dealt to playerC [Tc]
dealt to playerD [8h]
dealt to playerE [5d]
dealt to playerF [Ks]
dealt to Starsteal [Qc] [2c] [7c]

Player A brings in and B, C, and D all call. E folds and F calls. With only one club out and $.50 to call into a $4.25 pot - I decide to call.

Fourth brings me a nice queen to work with, but here's where things get crazy:

dealt to playerA [4h][6s]
dealt to playerB [7d][4c]
dealt to playerC [Tc][Jh]
dealt to playerD [8h][Qh]
dealt to PlayerF [Ks][3h]
dealt to Starsteal [Qc] [2c] [7c][Qs]

F leads off and I immediately raise. A calls 2 cold, then B re-raises (he has 47 showing...), C calls 3 cold, D folds and F caps it - the rest of us call.

After I raised, although I'm not sure where I'm at - I figure I'm not far behind. No one has a made hand yet - but at the same time, the people raising aren't showing anything threatening. What this means to me is I am probably up against a fair number of hidden pairs.

In any case, $4.25 in the pot on 3rd, plus 4 bets from 5 players - the pot is $24.25.

dealt to playerA [4h] [6s][4d]
dealt to playerB [7d] [4c][9c]
dealt to playerC [Tc] [Jh][2d]
dealt to playerF [Ks] [3h][Ad]
dealt to Starsteal [Qc] [2c] [7c] [Qs][Jc]

A pairs his fours but checks, B (who raised on 4th) checks, as does C. F bets out, I call, A calls and B check-raises (?) with his strong 479? C reraises? and F caps it. I call the whole lot - hoping that I hit my flush to take down these jokers... C ends up all in after the final raise.

The pot now is $24.25 + 30.25 or $54.50...

dealt to playerA [4h] [6s] [4d][Js]
dealt to playerB [7d] [4c] [9c][Qd]
dealt to playerC [Tc] [Jh] [2d][6d]
dealt to playerF [Ks] [3h] [Ad][Ac]
dealt to Starsteal [Qc] [2c] [7c] [Qs] [Jc][8c]

On sixth, I catch my miracle club (and it is a miracle at this point with the number of them that have come out. F catches an ace to pair up and leads off. I raise, A reraises, B folds, F caps and we both call.

The pot is now $54.50 + $24 or $78.50... At this point either A or F could be beating me if they started with trips and have pair up or something similar. No one is showing a possible flush yet - and straights are losing.

On the river, I do not improve and F leads off again - I raise and now B folds (how can he fold now?). F calls and I show my flush to take the pot.

The final pot was $95 which took a $3 rake.

Now - obviously I was pretty lucky to hit my flush on 6th, because hitting my queen on 4th, wasn't enough... However, what would others have done in my place?
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Postby JDLush » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:04 am

Sounds like you have a table full of live ones there. I'd have considered laying down on 6th if I don't hit the club, but from what it looks like there were a few guys on draws that appear to have counterfeited each other. My first guess on player B was (5 6), and F must have had a K in the hole, right? As far as the other guys, who knows?

I think a table like that you can do pretty well on, just plan on being sucked out a few times.
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Postby starstealer » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:06 am

Yeah - it was a dreamy table, and after this hand I was up in the order of $70 there (with a $40 buyin and only 10 minutes in...).

However, I did get my fair share of suckouts and bad play. Some of the other hands I played I already posted - but for the most part, I think I overplayed some of my hands and that's what really cost me.

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Postby briachek » Thu Apr 28, 2005 11:49 am

I think you did fine on this hand like JD said if you were willing to fold if you didn't hit a Q or club on 6th. I put one of them on rolled up trips because it would be extremely aggressive for them to do it on the draws they were showing.
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Postby piersmajestyk » Thu Apr 28, 2005 9:24 pm

A fold on 6th street here if you don't catch is a very bad play in my opinion given the boards and action thus far. A certainly can't have started with trip 4's because B has one of them and he catches another on 5th street. To me it looks like alot of folks caught two pair or were on straight draws that you were due to take down if you hit your flush. If F was rolled up and just called on third street after all the limpers he made a bad play. There are a few times when it is better to not raise with big rolled up cards but this isn't one of them.

B looks like a definate straight draw instead of rolled up 7 as you have one 7 and again if he limped on third with 777 he misplayed his hand badly as well.

Very rarely is is correct to fold on 6th street and I certainly don't think this was one of those times if you missed your flush card with the size of the pot and 5 clubs unaccounted for.

Very nice hand.
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Postby starstealer » Fri Apr 29, 2005 8:58 am

Wow - I hope I can get to that level of analysis even away from the hand piers...

I really thought I was in big trouble here - what do you think I should've done if I hit a queen instead of my club on either 6th or 7th (and don't boat up)? Do you think a set would be enough in this situation, given the betting? Clearly I would've called it down with the set, but how often would you expect it to win with those cards showing?

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Postby piersmajestyk » Fri Apr 29, 2005 10:53 am

I would have just called them down with QQQ on 6th as it is possible that F has another A in the hole but given those boards I believe QQQ is still a very strong hand although still alot of things to dodge if you didn't fill up.
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