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Postby tommyhawk » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:35 am

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Postby kennyg » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:46 pm

Actually i like his play. He had position and he was the aggressor.

You have no reads on anyone then decide to slowplay the aces down out of postion?? I don't like it!

had he hit those trips without the ace..or hit a straight or two pair...he could have taken a lot of your money.
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Postby tommyhawk » Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:12 am

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Postby iceman5 » Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:11 am

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Postby Jav » Fri Feb 25, 2005 3:58 pm

I agree that a re-raise pre-flop is usually the right play. You don't know that he's going for a blind steal, and he might really have a hand. When you re-raise pre-flop he's going to be put in a bad spot. Several bad things can happen for him. He's either going to have to give up a blind steal, which many people don't like to do without at least seeing the flop, or if he has a real hand he may decide it's best to play back at you.

If he has a real hand and plays back at you you will be getting a lot of money in the pot pre-flop, which is what you want to do with a hand like AA. If he has any other pair and an overcard flops it's going to slow him down, and you may not get any more money from him. If he has something like KK you might even get him all-in preflop, which would be ideal.

If he's on a steal and you flat call with your AA you may not get any more action (besides a potential flop bluff) unless you're beat. The last thing you want is to have a ragged flop that makes him two pair that you can't put him on.
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Postby Rhound50 » Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:04 pm

I do like his play, one of the best part about suited connectors is that people have no clue what you are playing. By raising it give you control over the hand, in postion this is huge it gives you the option to try to take the pot down or see a free card. That said I dont like your opponants play with 2/3. For a couple of reasons first 2/3 doesnt make that many striaghts, 2/3 has only one way to make a nut straight, and one way to make the 3rd nut striaght. This makes this hand much weaker. Reason 2: 2's and 3's are to small to hold up in most cases, unless you hit trips, 2 pair or a boat and in the case you flop 2 pair any board pair is going to be over your hand and pretty much kills your hand.
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Postby tommyhawk » Fri Feb 25, 2005 4:36 pm

well I thank you all for your replies.

And yes I should have raised preflop.

I still don't see why you guys like his play with 23 suited if it was higher I could imagine some str8 draws .

Maybe in a few months I will get back to you on this one.

I thank you for your time.

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Postby Jav » Fri Feb 25, 2005 6:14 pm

I don't like this play with 23s either. That is taking things way too far, and very few people could play this profitably. Even if you hit your straight or flush possibilities, there's a reasonable chance you'll lose to a bigger straight or flush. Same with hitting two pair or trips. Most of the time you'll win a small pot or lose a big pot with a hand like that.
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Postby kennyg » Fri Feb 25, 2005 8:11 pm

He was raising his standard raise (5xbb) to try and take down a pot on the flop. There was no way anyone could put him on 2s3s. so if he hits a big hand or flop...(by you not reraising preflop)..he will be getting much money. Just think about it...say the flop was 33T. You have AA.... I find it hard to believe you will fold this hand without losing most of your stack. the other alternative is he bets, everyone folds, and he takes a pot with nothing. That's why I like his play.

I'm not saying raising with 2s3s is a winning play. But I like to mix it up..and sometimes I will even call 5x raises with hands like 42 and 32 against big stacks....just to try and take their stack.

I just think by not reraising you give your opponent much too good a chance to bust you. AA is strong...but frankly when I get it...I'm afraid. I fear AA because on a flop it is so easy to get your money in when you're dominated.
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