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How do you mizors play this?

Postby MecosKing » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:03 am

Read on villain is hes pretty average. Im relatively sure my hand is good here, that weak lead looks pretty pathetic to me-- i just dont know if he has absolute crap, or actually has a pair that i can beat, or what- he defends his BB with alot of shite.

Dealt to Stuck4Lyfe [8h] [8c]
Stuck4Lyfe raises [$20].
ufckndonkey folds.
bakerkeno folds.
cmauck111 folds.
jdcr55 calls [$10].
** Dealing Flop ** [7d] [2c] [Kh]
jdcr55 bets [$10].
Stuck4Lyfe ???


Remember this is short handed holdem, and this cituation happens all the damn time.
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Postby NWCougar » Tue Apr 11, 2006 1:49 am

I raise
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Postby Danhdan » Tue Apr 11, 2006 3:27 am

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Postby Kuso » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:25 am

you have so lost your mizor status.



dood, even MVP has that move.

:roll:


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Postby MecosKing » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:39 am

Bah you TESTICLE! Of course i put in the raise, and he mucked immediately, the turn never even came. Dandahn, the self described 3/6 limit mizor actually saw what the issue was, which was that i thought my hand was good, and even if it wasnt, since there was no way i was folding this hand to this mizor headsup anyways, the correct play most likely would be to check/call the flop and pop his ass on the turn, thereby taking him to VALUE TOWN....

of course, the other aspect of that is whether i should put in the raise immediately so he folds, assuming he has overcards and id rather him fold and protect my eights than flat call him and have him spike something stupid like a T on the turn if he was just shooting off with JT or something. However, i think that this consideration is outweighed by the other, because the assumption is that he'll call the flop raise and peel one anyways (like 90% that happens) with just about anything, which means that raise isnt really protecting my hand...people will peel one with nothing in this spot, first off because they think they might have two live ones if i dont have the K, and secondly because it looks so weak and/or mizorly to fold here the way he did- even with barely anything, most people will donk off the small bet and see the turn.

Thus, a flat call and a turn raise was probably the correct play.

Of course, if he happened to have the K then life would be in the gutter, but like i said i thought my hand was good, so i shouldve played it for value, and if he had me beat then NIHAN to him...
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NorthViewBTP: from gun totin beer swiller
NorthViewBTP: to limp wristed defender of fagdom
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Jimmy BTP: obv fell asleep in his colostomy bag
Jimmy BTP: running shite everywhere
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Postby Kuso » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:54 am

i dunno, MK, i'm not sure that an angle to get someone to fold on the turn is really "Value Town". i didn't make up the term, i didn't bring it to these boards, and i certainly don't go to value town as much as you do, but that ain't what i think of when i think of Value Town.

if you pulled that shit w 23 s00000ted all the way to SD... THAT would be value town to me.

regardless, you're making a lot of assumptions here to justify getting cute. he can't have a K, he can't hit an over on the turn, even after not hitting he still needs to bet out again, etc. maybe you've softened up, but i always thought your game was about daring people to call/raise your bets rather than trying to extract a fraction of a BB of EV out of your opponents via a cute play. imo, you've got to raise here just to maintain your image and you PRAY that he looks you up with some high-card or bottom pair kind of hand.

you are SO not a mizor any more. tell your girlfriend to give you your balls back.
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Postby Kuso » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:56 am

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Postby MecosKing » Tue Apr 11, 2006 7:43 am

Bah, im tired. Will someone else please explain to kuso the gravity of this hand, and why it is that oftentimes, especially in headsup pots and in short games, and especially from position, and ESPECIALLY on a board like this, calling down with a decent hand is not just a 'tricky play' that makes alot of assumptions and which is only good for extracting a fraction of a bet, or do i gotta do it when i wakeup? If i had JJ or QQ for example, no way im raisin, but 88 is just too marginal, which is why i put the raise in, which i dont HATE but i dont like either. Aggression is fine and dandy, and trust me i still play aggressive, but the fact is that there are spots where a calldown is alot more +EV, and im not too ashamed to take a tenth of a point or two off my stats to win more money.

Cmon xas, I IMed you this hand right after it happened because i didnt really care for the way i played it, but if i explain it its gonna be like three paragraphs long because, well, thats just the way i explain things. You can post a briachek style explanation to this one cantcha?

On a sidenote, the GF is definitely after my balls.
NorthViewBTP: poor old ED
NorthViewBTP: from gun totin beer swiller
NorthViewBTP: to limp wristed defender of fagdom
NorthViewBTP: ALL THINGS TO ALL MEN
NorthViewBTP: IS THE SAME AS NO THINGS TO ANY MAN
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Mekos King: NV ignoring
Jimmy BTP: he's ignoring me too
Jimmy BTP: obv fell asleep in his colostomy bag
Jimmy BTP: running shite everywhere
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Postby Kuso » Tue Apr 11, 2006 11:50 am

explain it when you wake up, please.

i didn't say that calling was a "tricky" play, just a "cute" one.

:twisted:

ok, all joking aside, i'm really talking more metagame here. i want to bait the jackball into looking me up with a janky hand. if he has 7x, he might check/call down to the river after the flop raise, but he'll fold to a raise on the turn.. that's an opportunity cost that i'm not sure was calculated into your "cute play" formula.

furthermore, given that there are no draws out, what the hell do i think you're calling with if i'm villain and have air? what am i going to put you on that makes me think my hand is worth putting more money in the pot?

fwiw, i'm really taking this more from a HU LHE perspective rather than a 6max or 5-handed perspective, so maybe it's different. anyway, i'd really like to hear a good explanation of your recommended line.
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