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$5/$10 NL KK hand

Postby iceman5 » Sun Feb 27, 2005 2:01 am

$5/$10 NL
3 limpers to me. I raise to $70 on the button with [Kc][Kh]. I get 1 MP caller. Hero $1100....Villian $825.

The pot is $175. The flop comes [Jc][Tc][8c]. He checks and I bet $100. He check raises to $400 total.
I push all in. Any problems with that play?

If it matters to anyone, I raised to $60 the hand before and 2 limpers and the blinds folded (had AA)
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Postby kennyg » Sun Feb 27, 2005 4:33 am

Don't like your small flop bet. I like to at least double my preflop raise.

The size of the oppnent's flop raise indicates weakness usually. Looks like he is protecting his hand. The could be a good sign or not. A lowflopped flush is possible... or possibly AJ with the [Ac]

The all-in is ok but before I make a move like that I wish I had more info on the guy. Obviously you can't just call here so it's either alll-in or fold. I don't have any problems with the all-in.
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Postby eliteprodigy » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:00 pm

I play it exact same way
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Postby iceman5 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 1:48 pm

The reason I pushed all in was that I knew he either had a set, or had something like top pair and the nut flush draw...or even 99 with the [9c]....but the problem was that if I just call the raise, then I dont know which cards are the ones that kill me.

If another club hits, what do I do? Does he have a set and I just hit a flush on him? Or does he have the [Ac]?

So I pushed all in and let the chips fall where they may. Unfortunatley the chips fell to him. He had 88 and I missed my 11 outs.
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Postby Rhound50 » Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:32 pm

i actually dont agree with the al- in here. If he has a set you are a 2:1 underdog, if he has [Ac] and a pair card you are a slight underdog. Another scenario is he is playing [Ac] [Qc] and you are in fact drawing almost dead. He could also be playing suited connectors and have flopped a flush and you are now drawing at 7 outs. The only thing that you dominate is [Qc] Q, [Jc] J, or [9c] 9. The porblem is he is likely to fold any of these hands that you have dominated and call with the ones where you are beat or even money. I think in the long run your all in is a -EV play even with your fold equity.
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Postby Felonius_Monk » Tue Mar 01, 2005 4:17 am

I can't see a hand he is willing to check-raise $400 and then fold for his last $350 or so. So, there is $650 or so to "play with" after you make the $100 bet on the flop (i.e. he can raise/bet/call another $650 in the hand). Once he check-raises I think it's pretty clear he isn't folding. So in essence you are putting in another $650 to play out a $1650 pot. You are putting in nearly 40% of the money and I can't really see you having 40% equity in this pot, though I guess it's not out of the question. I think a lot depends on his likely range of hands, here. My feeling is that he would lead out with a hand like A[c]Jx, rather than check-raise it, so I would think a set, a low made flush, or even a straight, are all very good possibilities.

You didn't really mention what your read on this guy was; I think if you reckon he's pretty straightforward, than this CR spells trouble and that 40% equity figure is unlikely to be attainable. I was going to rundown what the odds for each possible match up and work out how you'd make the 40% figure, but work have blocked access to the twodimes odds calculator grrrr...

If he is tricky and liable to make such plays with a hand like A[c]Jx, then I guess there's more merit to it but I still think you'd be better off saving your last $650 for a better spot. So, I marginally agree with Rhound but I think it's close.

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Mar 01, 2005 11:04 am

I actually had 36% equity so it was close to your 40% figure. He was playing alot of hands and that was my only read. I had only been there for about 5 rounds.
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Postby Rhound50 » Tue Mar 01, 2005 2:19 pm

One more thing to add, Iceman even if you are getting 40% equity and are dead even EV, I still think this is a play you want to avoid. My guess is you are better player than this guy you are playing against. With $1100 in this game you are probably 2x the buy in and are one iof the bigger stacks, why risk that for an even or slighly negative EV play vs an opponant you are better than.
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Mar 02, 2005 10:23 am

The buy in is $1000, but I get your point.
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Postby Gregor » Tue Mar 08, 2005 12:35 pm

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