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What to do with a set of aces?

Postby k3nt » Fri Mar 25, 2005 10:53 am

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Postby Gregor » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:29 am

I don't agree with betting half the pot......trouble is that if you bet half the pot, you are giving 4-1, or 5-1 odds in a 3 way pot giving correct odds to call on the str8/flush.....i think thats bad poker....

Fact of the matter:

-THey probably don't have an ace.
-if they are on the flush draw they'll call up to a pot size bet w/odds
-if they are open ended they'll call 1/2 to 3/4 of the pot i'd imagine.....

I'd bet close to 3/4 of the pot.....you bet pot and you are telling them you have a made hand and you are pushing out any draws

you bet 3/4 of the pot, and the possibility of you simply following a strong raise with a 'weak' hand (kk, qq, jj) given the board is increased....

They'll probably fold anyways, but getting sucked out in this position because of greed is the wrong move....THe cliche about aces is very true...Unfortunately there isn't much the opponent could have that you'd be happy about a call on a weak flop bet....6x BB raise means you should be facing strong hands that are now scared with that flop....
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Postby Yogadude » Fri Mar 25, 2005 11:35 am

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Postby Kalle » Fri Mar 25, 2005 1:47 pm

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Postby kennyg » Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:28 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Fri Mar 25, 2005 2:46 pm

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Postby devilmollusk » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:58 pm

My only $0.02 cents to add to this fine advice is a lot depends on table image. If I have been the agressor, pushing people around, betting with crap, I make a oversized bet here. I can then either win a small amount or a large amount, but it is rare I will lose.

If I have been playing tight and maybe there are some other hot-shots in the pot I check/raise it. If it is checked around and the flush card falls, I might take one shot at it, knowing if I am called I could still catch the nut flush or a boat on the river.
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Postby devilmollusk » Fri Mar 25, 2005 3:59 pm

oh woops... you are on the button, huh? Boy do I feel like an idiot. In that case I think you have to make a bet, but a smallish bet might actually work like a check here. Yeah, that is what I would do :)
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Postby rdale » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:19 am

Bet. You either get action or they fold, someone may be waiting to check raise 87 or 88/77 if you are "lucky". If you play against the people I've been playing against flush draws are a license to mint chips and they might shove it in on their own and will definitely call you down. If you don't bet you may not have odds to draw to fill up to your quads, boat or nut flush if the turn brings a flush card and you don't bet the flop. You are in a position to play for stacks, and want to stay that way no matter what hits the turn.

How much you bet is your normal continuation bet. Unless you think someone push if you weak lead the flop, just play it like every other raised pot.
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Postby Rhound50 » Sat Mar 26, 2005 3:18 am

I think you have to bet here it is going to suck if they fold since its not everyday that you hit top set, the flush scares me much less, than he straight here. With two other people in the pot, the chances of one of them having a flush draw is decent but not a given. Even if the fluh card hits on the turn you still have 17 outs on the river and board pair or and flush card. That said, you still have to bet here, your raised the flop and a check is going to look really fishy, plus you want to build a pot and checking wont do that.
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Postby k3nt » Sat Mar 26, 2005 2:22 pm

Thanks for all the feedback on this one. I did bet my normal bet, about 2/3 of the pot and they both instafolded. Nothing to do about it but I wanted more money from my big hand dern it....
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Postby Kalle » Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:51 am

This thread is old but I just played a hand, which I think clearly shows why you shouldn't slowplay a set of aces. Unraised pot but he could have won much more if he raised on flop or turn. And I almost folded on river. UTG is a very good player at this level.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (7 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($89.30)
UTG ($194)
MP1 ($268.25)
MP2 ($133.80)
CO ($198.80)
Button ($204.15)
Hero ($305.60)

Preflop: Hero is SB with [3d], [3s].
UTG calls $2, MP1 calls $2, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) [6d], [3c], [Ah] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB folds, UTG checks, MP1 bets $6, Hero calls $6, UTG calls $6.

Turn: ($26) [8h] (3 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10, MP1 folds.

River: ($46) [5h] (2 players)
Hero bets $25, UTG raises to $50, Hero calls $25.

Final Pot: $146

Results in white below:
UTG has As Ad (three of a kind, aces).
Hero has 3d 3s (three of a kind, threes).
Outcome: UTG wins $146.
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Postby asdfman » Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:11 pm

I had a similar situation playing the 25/NL 6 max at party. I was sitting at a full 6 max table on the button with AA. I make it 1 to go and get a caller--the maniac who has been raising every hand with complete trash and yet getting away with it. The flop comes down 78A rainbow. I know my table image is tight so I check, turn is a 9. I lead out for the pot (2.5) he reraises to 5, I push, and he shows TJ to take it down. The problem here was his disgusting table image (raising to 28x the bb with 63o), and i could see him on 2 pair. I think that you really need to make a standard bet on the flop so that the str8 draw doesnt draw out on you.
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