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KK- 4 Handed Problem

Postby GreaterThanU » Sat Aug 19, 2006 12:56 am

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Postby GreaterThanU » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:25 am

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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:34 am

Poker is silly.

It is not enough to be good at chess, you must also play well.

Somewhere in the world someone is training when you are not. When you race him, he will win.

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Postby Stelvask » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:11 am

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Re: KK- 4 Handed Problem

Postby Marm » Sat Aug 19, 2006 9:26 am

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Postby Irexes » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:35 pm

Tough not to focus on the result, but yup it's a call.


Just to ask a follow up for consideration, what is the strongest hand you would fold in this position?

I'm not entirely sure of my own answer... I'll have a think.
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Postby RogMcBusto » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:42 pm

How you can consider folding is beyond me.
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Postby Irexes » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:47 pm

It's worth considering Rog, if only to better understand how to play the bubble in order to make more cash in the long run.

Something I read a long while ago explored the idea that the best way to understand why something is the way it is, is to explore why it is not how it is not.


That may of course be gibberish.
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Postby GodlikeRoy » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:51 pm

Holy shit. I just ran this through SNGPT and the results are surprising, to say the least.

This completely depends on the buttons pushing range. Some stats:

If he is pushing any 2, you should call with JJ+.
If he is pushing {22+,A2+,K2+,Q2s+,Q6o+,J7s+,J9o+,T8s+,98s}, you should call with KK+.
If he is pushing {22+,A2s+,A3o+,KTs+,KJo+,QJs} you should only call with AA.

The turning point for when to call/fold KK is when he is pushing {22+,A2+,K7o+,K4s+,QTo+,Q9s+,JTs}. If he's pushing that range, calling with KK is JUST profitable. If he's any tighter, you should fold. If he's any looser, you should call.

I apologize for my "Insta-call" response, I was clearly wrong.
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:22 pm

If you remove KK/AA from his range, it's a much better situation. AA rarely will play the hand like this, so you can assign it a lower probability.
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Postby DaFish » Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:31 pm

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Postby Beavis68 » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:37 pm

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Postby excession » Mon Aug 21, 2006 1:47 pm

How you can consider folding is beyond me.

I would have insta-called here too - probably because I put his range on any better than average hand

But the SNGPT results are fascinating so that just shows what a good question it was..
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Postby Cactus Jack » Wed Aug 23, 2006 10:05 am

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