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Postby cholo loco » Mon Apr 04, 2005 5:56 am

this is something i used to hate and ridicule the people who regularly employed them. i however changed my mind when watching some i respect play and them making frequent bets that either doubled the big blind and were maybe 2.5 times the bb.
since then i have been experimenting with doubling the blinds and raising to 2.5 times
do you guys like to use this tactic. ill save my thoughts on it until after i read some responces.
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Postby excession » Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:11 am

When I first started playing I used to think they had a place in NL too.

Now I known that the only reason to make them is to look like a bad player or to throw off others PT stats on me :D
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Postby tetsuo » Mon Apr 04, 2005 7:55 am

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Re: min raises in nl/pl

Postby rdale » Mon Apr 04, 2005 1:42 pm

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Postby cholo loco » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:24 am

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Postby Jav » Tue Apr 05, 2005 11:28 am

Well, the problem lies with your premium hands. When you get a premium hand you really want to raise at least 3xBB (for tournaments, I prefer something like 4-6xBB in ring games). With premium hands you want to raise enough that you will generally only be called by other premium hands that you have dominated. Of course you'll also get small and medium pairs calling, but the point is to raise enough that you have a good idea what type of holdings your opponents have if they call you.

This allows you to play the rest of the hand better since your read on your opponent will be better. It also minimizes the times that you will get your stack taken because you couldn't read that 68o straight.

Now, you also want to raise with some hands that aren't premium, for deception and because you feel you have the best hand. When you raise AJ from late MP you want people to not know if you have AA, AJ, or 56s. If you start lowering your raises for your non-premium hands, then people will eventually pick up on it and know that you raise more with premium hands and less with speculative hands, and they will be able to play you appropriately.
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Postby devilmollusk » Tue Apr 05, 2005 2:40 pm

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Postby poker2006 » Tue Apr 05, 2005 4:11 pm

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Postby Rhound50 » Wed Apr 06, 2005 4:40 am

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Postby excession » Wed Apr 06, 2005 6:16 am

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Postby cholo loco » Thu Apr 07, 2005 4:03 am

the problem with hands that you want to raise more with is not really a problem in my opinion. i dont only make min raises and make a traditional raise with enough hands that doing so does not limit my hand to a premium one. since i started this thread i have coninued to experiment and continued to have great success. i have also had a lot of success with using small raises in the middle and end parts of tournys to pick up a lot of blinds and it keeps the pot size down so i can make a cheap continuation bet.
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Postby Molina » Thu Apr 07, 2005 6:03 am

While I usually find players min betting have a 2 sooted cards and am not really keen on the practice at all, I've always been of the opinion that a min bet of J10 suited with position can't be too bad a move.

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Postby gnurulle » Thu Apr 07, 2005 7:11 am

A minraise is, for me at least, more of a sign that I'm under timepressure, since I'm involved in a pot on another table...
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