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How do you build a big stack ??

Postby poker2006 » Sat Apr 09, 2005 2:51 pm

I am reasonably good at building a stack 2-3x the buy-in amount, but I have problems getting beyond that. I seem to be hitting a limit... I guess my problem is I don't know yet how to play a big stack well.

I play Tight-Passive-Aggr, raise about %5 and AF=4.5 after the flop. If I have good cards or a good flop I turn it on. My problem with a bigger stack is that I don't get enough action, people don't want to commit that easily against me. How do you change the strategy with a large stack? I assume you don't just want people getting away and leaving you small pots, so how do you create big pots?

I am looking for as much advice as possible from the great players here on how to do this. I am playing at the NL25 level, moving up to NL50.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:03 pm

I dont think theres any such thing as tight passive aggressive.

Anyway, if people are backing down to your bets because you have a big stack, then start betting more flops. Start raising more flops.

Im talking about betting or raising with nothing or next to nothing. If youre playing tight, youre probably only betting the flop every 20 hands or so. If they keep folding, then play a few more hands and bet the flop more. Bet your flush draws, bet 2 overcards, bet bet bet....Until they start calling you.
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Postby excession » Sat Apr 09, 2005 3:15 pm

In this context TPA just means a Tight Aggressive style that rasies less than 7% pre-flop..
It's a very solid style - of course if you only raise say 3% of flops - you are going to get less action when you do raise than a player who raises 10%..
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Postby Yogadude » Sat Apr 09, 2005 6:18 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:53 am

I didnt read it anywhere, but my plan is to sit long enough with a big stack and get into a winning confrontation with a player with a stack as big as mine.

Maybe Im crazy, but thats just me :lol:
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Postby kennyg » Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:10 am

Of course we all want to win with a bigger stack..but there's nothing wrong with yoga's statergy. You don't want to play scared money with your big stack..and if that means he has to take out when he has 3x..thats fine. Just because we all can win doesn't mean we have the same stragetys. :)
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Postby palman » Sun Apr 10, 2005 8:34 am

If playing with a big stack results in playing scared, then yes I fully agree with getting up and leaving and starting over.

The statement I questioned was the fact that he implied that if you take enough +EV situations, you will eventually lose your entire stack. At no point can you have enough situations where you are a favorite, but for the simple fact that you are facing a lot of confrontations, you'll end up -EV.
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Postby Yogadude » Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:32 am

"I read somewhere that if you sit long enough with the big stack you will eventually end up in a losing confrontation with another player who has the same amount of chips as you."

Please think about this for just a second =)<<<<<<<<<,

Yeah Yeah, it dont make sense cause no one has more than the big stack. I'm just assuming that no matter how big your stack is that there will eventually be someone with the same amount and you have the potential to go bust.
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:38 am

And you have the potential to double up against a big stack giving you a monster stack. He is just as worried about you busting him as you are about him busting you. If he is better than you, then just avoid him as best as you can.
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Postby Yogadude » Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:40 am

Posted: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:53 am Post subject:

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I didnt read it anywhere, but my plan is to sit long enough with a big stack and get into a winning confrontation with a player with a stack as big as mine.

Maybe Im crazy, but thats just me<<<<<<<<

You're definitely not crazy. This is probably the right way to play as far as increasing total earnings but I am just afraid of the variance. I've never made one of those humongous scores either online or in the casino but it is a drawback I am willing to live with.

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Postby Yogadude » Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:43 am

Yoga... I understand your point, but almost have the opposite idea... If I play for 3 hours, I may only play a couple hands per hour... So, I want all of them to count, and don't want to be chased off a hand w/ a large bet... There's nothing worse than having the nuts, having some idiot call you, and you have less than 1 buyin to take off of him...
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I can think of something worse.

You flop the nut flush against a player that has a set. You both have 3 buy ins in front of you. He flopped top set and you get it all in on the flop. Yes, you are the favorite, but there is a 2.5-1 chance that you can lose an entire score in one hand. To me, that is the worse thing that can happen to you when you have a big stack.
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:29 pm

I dont care how much money is in my stack (as long as Im not playing above my bankroll which I dont), if I can get 3 buy ins all in as a 2-1 favorite I'll do it every time.

If you wont do that, then you need to move down to stakes that you are more comfortable with. You can just leave when you get a big stack, but that in itself is -EV which by definition makes it the wrong move.
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