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Example of how NOT to play a hand

Postby iceman5 » Sat Apr 16, 2005 1:46 pm

OK, I got your attention. I played this hand perfectly. It was my opponent who played like a muppet. I doubt anyone reading this board plays like this but if you do....DONT!

$2/$4NL

I limp in LP with [9h][9s] after 2 other limpers. BB checks

Pot is $18. The flop comes [Jh][4c][2c]
The BB bets $4. Its folded to me. Lets see. What does the BB have ladies and gentleman? A flush draw maybe?

I raise to $35. He calls. Ugh! Hes really going to pay that much to chase it?

The pot is $88. The turn is the [9c]. BB leads out for $4 again. Hmmmm..You think he hit his flush? Fine I'll take the 22-1 odds to hit my boat. I call.

The pot is $96. The river is the [9d]. BB bets $48. I raise all in to about $300 or so. He calls.

Bye Bye flush chaser......

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Postby Kalle » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:31 pm

[iceman5 wrote]I doubt anyone reading this board plays like this but if you do....DONT! [/quote]
That was me. I was BB...

Just kidding. He had flush? He probably thinks he got unlucky...

The flop raise... why do you raise so big (pot is 26, you raise to 35)?
Turn call... I think I would have raised here but you made a good call. Do you raise here sometimes? Or you just knew he had the flush?
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Postby Rhound50 » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:36 pm

I think you got away with one on the river here unless you know for a fact that this guy is a total fish. I guess by the betting patterns he might be. Why exactly did you push all in on the river? I would probably have value bet the river, since any decent player folds to that big a reraise with anything but a monster.

Always nice to hit running quads though.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Apr 16, 2005 2:43 pm

He had the flush and there was no doubt in my mind he had it. Anyone who plays a flush in such an obvious way will also play for his stack with a flush even on a paired board which is why I raised all in.

He didnt even have the nut flush. It was ten high.

Kalle, raising that turn when you know he has a flush would be really bad. Why would you do that?

The reason I rased to $35 was
#1...I wanted him to fold since I didnt even have a jack
#2...I have to give him really bad odds to draw. When I raised to $35, that made the pot $57. Hes facing a $31 bet so hes still getting almost 2-1 to call. If I raise less hes definately correct to call.
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Postby Ricardooon » Sun Apr 17, 2005 12:25 pm

My question is how could you play with such certainty he didn't have a Jack? I am all for betting out to gain information but when he calls your raise then he is either hanging his hat on the top pair in which case odds aren't a factor in knocking him off the hand or he is on the draw.

Would you have played it differently if a brick hit the turn and he lead out?

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Postby iceman5 » Sun Apr 17, 2005 2:16 pm

Again, I was 95% sure he was on a flush draw. Ive played him before and alot of the scandananvian players play draws just like that.

I only know one guy who would lead a draw twice after getting raised on the flop so I would fold if he led the turn after a brick hit.

I had a hand against that one guy a couple days ago. Flop was KJ4 with flush draw. He led the min and I raised. Turn was another king. He led min again and I raised bigger this time. He called again. River was a brick an we checked it down. He had Qxs.

Playing a draw like that is very rare but I have a good read on that guy. Against anyone else, I fold that hand.
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