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Aces vs. a Scary Flop

Postby DaHitDogg » Mon May 09, 2005 9:30 am

This was a tough decision for me as I was really confused. Opponenent was very tight VP$IP < 10 (30ish hands) and has'nt showndown. If you were him would you slowplay a set here?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

DaHitDogg ($180.5)
UTG+1 ($31.05)
UTG+2 ($78.31)
MP1 ($40.2)
MP2 ($123.55)
MP3 ($98.35)
CO ($164)
Button ($141.75)
SB ($35.65)
BB ($259.1)

Preflop: DaHitDogg is UTG with [Ah], [As]. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
DaHitDogg calls $1, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls $1, 3 folds, CO calls $1, Button raises to $6, 2 folds, DaHitDogg raises to $18, UTG+2 folds, CO folds, Button calls $12.

Flop: ($39.50) [Jc], [Qd], [9d] (2 players)
DaHitDogg bets $30, [color=#CC3333]Button raises to $60


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Postby WildBillHickok » Mon May 09, 2005 9:42 am

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Postby iceman5 » Mon May 09, 2005 9:48 am

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Postby poker2006 » Mon May 09, 2005 10:05 am

Unfortunatelly you don't have enough information about your opponent to know what he is raising with 6 times BB preflop, and then call your reraise. He is on the button, so his standards of raising are probably lower, my range of hands would be AA-TT, AK, AQ, KQs.

As ice said in another post, most of the time someone min raises you are beat and should fold, but it's hard to do in this case. What can he think you have limp raising UG? Most people will put you on AA, KK and he is still raising the flop. If he has QQ,JJ he is ahead, but a lot of people will call the flop and raise the turn with a set. But then he probably thinks you have AA, KK and will call this raise.

I don't think he has QJ, and the other hands he could be raising with are a good draw, AKs (str and flush draw), AQs (TPTK and flush draw), and KK, TT to see where he stands. I don't see him putting you on AK and betting a missed flop...

It looks to me like way behind or a little bit ahead. You have $48 in the pot, if you call this you invested 78/180. One option is to fold, which I don't like that much. My play would probably be calling the flop, and if a non-flush card hits the turn possibly check-raising all in.

To make your turn decision you will have more information. If he also checks for a free turn card he's probably on a draw and you can bet the pot. If he bets big you have to decide, taking the turn card as well into consideration. If you are behind, you might only have 1 out here, the non-flush ace.

I'm really curious how the more experienced people on this forum see this hand, so I can learn something from it. Feedback on my analysis is welcome.
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Postby WildBillHickok » Mon May 09, 2005 10:14 am

heh...we gotta get more experience Iceman :wink:
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Postby Bob314 » Mon May 09, 2005 10:28 am

Even though it was only limped, with Dogg's read being that this player is pretty tight and him raising big against 3 limpers I have to agree with Iceman and WildBill--you are up against a monster or a hand with a lot of outs that leave you with almost no redraw if hit. Let it go.
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Postby DaHitDogg » Mon May 09, 2005 11:16 am

:P Awesome, sounds like I made a good fold. I think there was about an 80% that he had QQ or JJ (i.e. monster made hand) and 20% he had TT or AKs (d) and I was ahead, but he had a bunch of outs. And I definitely was thinking of Iceman's minraise theory too!

DaHitDogg folds.

Final Pot: $129.50

Results in white below:
No showdown.
Button wins $129.50.
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Postby k3nt » Mon May 09, 2005 11:22 am

I would put him on KK, because I WANT my aces to win. I would get all-in by the river. And I would lose the hand 5 times out of 6.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon May 09, 2005 11:43 am

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Postby poker2006 » Mon May 09, 2005 12:21 pm

Thanks for the feedback MVP, you're right. The fact that I think I'm way behind or little ahead should make me more inclined to fold. I hate to laydown hands like AA against players I don't have a good read on, but the correct thing is to FOLD. Changed my conclusion...

I like to he fairly sure I'm ahead to get all my money in. One painful example yesterday, I had KK in UTG+1, I limp with the intention of raising. No one raises, and the flop if KJT all suited, and I don't have any of that suit of course. The BB goes all in for about $50, everyone folds and he picks up about $3 in the unraised pot. You have high hopes with a hand like KK and then nothing.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Mon May 09, 2005 1:00 pm

Poker... thanks for the thanks... actually, I would have been a little more likely to call your example than the origional one... I'm assuming he didn't have a flush or he wouldn't have pushed the flop... I think his most likely holdings were AK or 2pr... Even if he has the straight or flush, you have outs to hit your boat...
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