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Laying down AA postflop

Postby k3nt » Tue May 10, 2005 11:27 am

How do you know when to fold your pocket aces after the flop?

What kind of betting pattern convinces you you are beaten?

If you are against a muppet/monkey/fish, will you go to showdown with them 100% of the time?

If you are on an uncoordinated board where only a set or a very strange two pair beats you, do you respect a raise?


Here's a few examples.

In general, I'm not too tricky at the $20 tables. When I get AA, I play them normal. I usually raise preflop to about 5 to 7x the BB -- pretty big raises because I know from experience that people at my tables love to call the big raises preflop. Other people raise 8x to 10x or even more and still can get a call or two. Assume, then, in all of these situations, that I get two calls preflop, and that one of the preflop callers folds while the other one does not.

(A) I am in EP in a 10c/20c blind game. I raise to $1.20 preflop, get two calls. Pot is $3.60. Bet $2.50 on the flop, get one call. Pot is $8.60. Bet $5 on the turn, get raised to $10. I have now committed $8.70, the pot is $23.60, and it's $5 to call. If I call I will have less than $7 left for the river, so it feels like a fold or push situation. The board is uncoordinated, say K639 rainbow. Lay it down?

(B) Same situation but opponent raises the turn all-in. Lay it down?

(C) Same situation, same uncoordinated board, but this time I'm in LP. My opponent check-calls the flop (I'm still betting about the same amounts) then check-minraises the turn. Lay it down?

(D) Same situation from LP: opponent check-calls the flop then check-raises all-in on the turn. Lay it down?

Does it all depend on your read of the opponent? I'm on Prima so I can't look at my opponent's PT stats with GT+.

Any ideas? Thanks.
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Postby APerfect10 » Tue May 10, 2005 11:59 am

If you are against a muppet/monkey/fish, will you go to showdown with them 100% of the time?

Against a showdown muppet, fish, calling station, XL I will take my high PP to showdown the overwhelming majority of the time as long as the board isnt too coordinated.

Against all others it really is read dependent. Really good players, I will lay it down to any raise on the turn on.

Most of the time, I find that a reraise on the flop means they have top pair and are making sure you have a hand rather than a continuation bet. Typically I will call this raise and get my read from there. If I have a strong feeling they are only on top pair, I will push. If I think they are on top pair, I will call and see what they do on the turn.

Most players at my levels, $50 & $100 NL check/call the flop and then check/raise the turn with a set. Whenever someone plays it like that against me, I will most likely fold.

I hope that made some sense and helps you with your reads. Like anything in hold'em, each hand is completely different; however, these are simply the generalities that I have noticed. Use them to help you form your read but do not use them blindly.

Sorry I didnt give you a cut and dry response, I am not so sure its that simple :) If it were, anyone could win...
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Postby APerfect10 » Tue May 10, 2005 12:02 pm

Now responding to each of your four situations; they all fall into the check/call, check/raise category where the player typically has a monster. As weak tight as it may sound, I would likely fold in each situation. But once again, it really depends on the player. If they are a good player, I'd fold each time and not think twice about it.
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Postby Rhound50 » Wed May 11, 2005 1:45 am

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Re: Laying down AA postflop

Postby rdale » Wed May 11, 2005 12:18 pm

At the level you are playing you can push AA and KK preflop everytime and still get called a majority of the time :) save yourself the headache of figuring out where you are at postflop. Also on most boards that aren't super coordinated at that level, I will play them to the river for just about any amount of money on an unpaired board with no obvious draw. Folding AA and KK just isn't something to be done down there a majority of the time.
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