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Would you make this call if you were MP2?

Postby Suhleafs » Wed May 11, 2005 2:52 pm

Comments greatly appreciated

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed)

CO ($110.40)
Button ($70.30)
SB ($19)
BB ($88.80)
UTG ($26.20)
Hero ($87.45)
MP1 ($117.05)
MP2 ($89.05)
MP3 ($24)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [Js], [Qs].
1 fold, Hero calls $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1, 1 fold, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($5) [Kh], [Tc], [5s] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $2, CO calls $2, SB calls $2, BB folds, Hero calls $2.

Turn: ($13) [As] (4 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets $5, CO folds, SB raises to $10, Hero calls $10, MP2 raises to $15, SB raises to $16, Hero raises to $35, MP2 calls $20.

River: ($99) [3s] (3 players)
Hero bets $49.45 (All-In), MP2 calls $49.45.

Final Pot: $197.90
Main Pot: $197.90, between Hero and MP2. > Pot won by Hero ($197.90).

Results in white below:
SB has Ad 5d (two pair, aces and fives).
Hero has Js Qs (flush, ace high).
MP2 has Ah Ac (three of a kind, aces).
Outcome: Hero wins $197.90.
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Re: Would you make this call if you were MP2?

Postby rdale » Wed May 11, 2005 2:55 pm

Given that MP2 only had $24 and misplayed every step of the way, yes if I was MP2 I would have made that call. I would have probably raised and moved in on the flop if I was MP2 though.

Ooops Edit: I had SB and MP2's stacks confused.

Yes, I might still try to suck out for that price, but would still have raised and played harder on the flop, sucking out might have seemed like the right price then.

Re-edit (I'm doing poorly at this):
I thought the money went in at the turn, I'm horribly confused and need caffeine. If he was going to call on the river no matter what, he should have pushed at the turn. I can see arguments for calling, but the biggest argument is for folding, as slow played AA can't stand that much heat against two opponents with out filling up.
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Postby Suhleafs » Wed May 11, 2005 4:44 pm

I just feel really lucky that the case Ace came and that it wasn't the 9 because I for sure would have not been paid as much as I did.

I think I was in what's called the "sandwich effect" as what Harrington describes in his book.

There's a raising war around me and I just string along for the ride with the best hand, then when the best opportunity came for me to raise at the last bet, then that's when I hit. The MP2 had no idea what was coming.
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Postby poker2006 » Wed May 11, 2005 5:12 pm

MP2 played it so badly he really deserved to lose. I can see an argument for limping AA in early position, but not when there's a caller before you. If you just call others will be inclined to call and you have a multiway pot. Then on the flop he bet way to weak.

Interested hand to see. I hope I would be able to get rid of it on the turn, when it was raised/reraised. I would definitely fold on the river, with both straight and flush danger present and that much heat.
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Postby Yogadude » Thu May 12, 2005 9:12 pm

First off, I dont think QJ suited under the gun is a profitable hand. The game would have to be extremelly passive for me to play it and to be honest even then I would muck it 80% of the time - but that's just me.

You played the hand great...I would of gotten all of the money in on the turn because if your opponent has 2 pair or a set, now is the time to get all of the money in. Not only because you want to make him pay to fill up but also to protect your value if a Jack or a Queen hits the river, making it easier for your opponent to fold. Looking at the action the outcome wouldnt of been different anyhow.

nice turn card though, I hope I hit a hand like that today!

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