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Postby APerfect10 » Thu May 12, 2005 12:53 am

Ok, I'm a bit tilty right now so I closed down my tables and am looking to get this hand analyzed. I've had plenty of things go wrong tonight but this hand is the one really bothering me. Everyone said I played this hand so poorly but I'm not so sure. I think I would play it the same again; however, I havent convinced myself yet.

First, 20 minutes ago, a guy flops his set against my overpair and I lose half my buyin. Not bad as I was able to get away from it without losing my entire stack. Next, a guy hits his 8 outer on me after going all in on the turn. Then this hand took place. Immediately after, I get AA and another guy flops his set and this time I lose my buyin as he was a showdown muppet (therefore I didnt respect him) and I may have been a bit tilty at this point; although I think I would've pushed again against that guy as he's gone to showdown 35% of the time and has only won 20%.

Anyways, back to the point of my topic. A little background info. Villian is slightly loose ultra agressor. He's a good player although after this hand I'm not so sure. Villian #2 (labeled fish) is a loose, passive fish who is close to being a calling station.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed)

saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($96)
APerfect10 ($104.2)
UTG+1 ($237.89)
MP1 ($158.25)
MP2 (Fish)/ ($100)
MP3 ($186.8)
CO (Villian)/ ($135.05)
Button ($130.75)
SB ($53.25)

Preflop: APerfect10 is UTG with [Th], [Tc]. MP2 (Fish) posts a blind of $1. SB posts a blind of $0.5.
APerfect10 calls $1, 2 folds, MP2(Fish)/(poster) checks, 1 fold, CO (Villian)/ raises to $5, 3 folds, APerfect10 calls $4, MP2 (Fish) calls $4.

Flop: ($16.50) [Td], [9c], [Qs] (3 players)
APerfect10 checks, Fish checks, Villian bets $15, APerfect10 calls $15, Fish calls $15.

Turn: ($61.50) [2d] (3 players)
APerfect10 checks, Fish checks, Villian bets $30, APerfect10 raises to $60, Fish calls $60, Villian calls $30.

River: ($241.50) [8d] (3 players)
APerfect10 checks, Fish calls $20 (All-In), Villian calls $20, APerfect10 calls $20.

Final Pot: $301.50

Results in white below:
APerfect10 has Th Tc (three of a kind, tens).
Fish has Jh 9h (straight, queen high).
Villian has Ks Kc (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Fish wins $301.50.


The flop:
First and foremost, I know someone is going to say "Why didnt you raise the flop". Here are my thoughts. First, I think if I raise the flop here Villian will fold because prior to the hand, I gave him the respect that he would fold of a higher PP. Second, I wasnt so sure he even had much more than AQ. If I raise here, I think he will fold off. Second, I want to see what the fish does. I have bad position and want to ensure I'm not going up against a flopped straight. Second, even if the fish is going to draw, he is a calling station and would call any raise. At this point, I'm only a 2-1 favorite against the table, not the best of odds. If I just call, if the turn brings that 4 card straight then its an easy fold and I am not pot committed. If the turn doesnt bring that 4 card straight, I get the villian pot committed and am a huge favorite.

The turn:
I min raise him to $60 here and in hindsight I wish I would've pushed the extra $20; however, I'm not so sure this is a huge error. The fish calls (on his draw) as expected which proves my point that he would've called off his stack on the flop since he's willing to do it on the turn as an even bigger dog. At this point, I am a 4-1 favorite...

Thoughts and comments please.
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu May 12, 2005 1:38 am

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Postby poker2006 » Thu May 12, 2005 2:15 am

I would have probably played the same on the flop, but you have to go all in on the turn. Even if they call, you want all the money in while you're ahead. This way, calling the last $20 was a mistake according to the poker theorem. I know there was a ton of money in the pot and you had to call it, but the correct time for it to go in was the turn.

Not that bad of a play though. I see you moved up to 100NL, so I don't have to avoid you at 50NL :) . Hope I'll move up soon.
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Postby Bob314 » Thu May 12, 2005 2:49 am

I was wondering if I saw you on a Party Poker table the other night? I asked if you were from BTP in the chattbox but got nothing. The screen name was APerfect102. Just curious. The person was definitely playing tight enough for me to see that it was a better-than-average party player.
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Postby Jux » Thu May 12, 2005 3:58 am

I don't think your play on the flop was bad at all, considering you made logical decisions from the reads you had on Villian and Fish. Personally, based on my style, I think I might have played the flop more aggressive. I really don't like giving out free cards with that type of action flop, and there is a good chance that I'll get some action from fish and maybe villian with the type of draws that type of flop brings. If the turn comes 4 to a straight, then it's time to check and fold. I also have to agree with the others that the min raise on the turn wasn't that great a play. Put all your money in with the best hand, and make them pay to make their straight/runner runner flush. In this situation with only 20 more to the $30, Fish and Villian would probably still have called, but I think going all-in on the turn would have been the correct play. Hypothetically, would you have still made that min raise if you had a bigger stack?

That's my views on it, but take it with a grain of salt. I'm still a novice to the game.
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Postby iceman5 » Thu May 12, 2005 9:19 am

Youre right Perfect10, Im going to say you should raise the flop.

You have a set which is great, but this is definately not the flop to slowplay. You need to get these people out. Or get all there money in. One or the other.

You cant let them hang around because every card above a 7 is either a scare card or will kill your action. Raise Raise Raise.
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Postby kennyg » Thu May 12, 2005 11:07 am

With that cooridnated board I would either lead out or check-raise.


That and I would have pushed on the turn.


But Ive seen much worse play then this. I wouldn't lose too much sleep over it. Just a bad run.
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Postby APerfect10 » Thu May 12, 2005 11:21 am

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Postby Gregor » Mon May 16, 2005 1:37 pm

I think you go all in on the turn there....Saving 20 for the river is pointless....Idiot probably would have stayed in on his OE, but i still think you go all in....
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