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TT, any thoughts on this play?

Postby MBuckler » Sat May 14, 2005 9:47 pm

$25 NL on Stars, my opponent and I each basically have full stacks
i get [Th][Td] in the sb
folds to the CO who limps along with the button, I limp, BB checks
flop is [4c][6d][9h]
i lead out for $1 (pot)
bb and CO both fold, button makes it $2.25
i tank trying to figure out what the hell is going on
i really dont think he has a set so i reraise him to $5.25 and he instacalls
turn is [6s]
i check, he bets $3 into a pot of $11.50
i call and we go check check on the [8s] river

results in white
he mucks Kh9d, i drag

what do you guys think? how do you guys play this?
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Postby Yogadude » Sun May 15, 2005 1:15 am

First off, I would raise the limpers with 1010 in the SB. To me, it's just too good of a hand to let 3 people see the flop against you. When I am out of position with a hand like this I will raise 5-6X the BB. This is a large pre-flop raise I admit but with this hand I would like to either pick up the limps or get it heads up so I will have a better chance to win it on the flop when I bet it.

Your re-raise on the flop is too small. If you are trying to protect against the straight draw you should re-raise at least the size of the pot. If you are worried he has a set you should just throw the friggin hand away when he raises you on the flop.

Understand that you are describing a very difficult situation that comes up from time to time - you are either way ahead (like you were) or way behind. Must of felt nice when you saw the cards.

gl

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$25 NL on Stars, my opponent and I each basically have full stacks
i get in the sb
folds to the CO who limps along with the button, I limp, BB checks
flop is
i lead out for $1 (pot)
bb and CO both fold, button makes it $2.25
i tank trying to figure out what the hell is going on
i really dont think he has a set so i reraise him to $5.25 and he instacalls
turn is
i check, he bets $3 into a pot of $11.50
i call and we go check check on the river

results in white
he mucks Kh9d, i drag

what do you guys think? how do you guys play this?
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Postby laynegt » Sun May 15, 2005 2:57 pm

He can raise on the flop w/ a lot of hands here. And he might think you're on a steal w/ the lack of big cards on the flop. I think the reraise is correct to get information, but I agree you should raise more so he can fold. If he comes back, you let it go.

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In any case, I don't put him on the set after the raise on the rainbow flop. I think most sets would smooth call otb here and look for the sb to hang himself on the turn, even w/ the psuedo-straight draws out there. I think his quick call of your reraise also gives his non-setness away b/c a set would take a second or two to think about pushing. He's trying to appear strong.

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On the turn, given what happened, gosh I don't know what I would've done. I guess I would probably check b/c I want to get to showdown cheap. You probably have the best hand, but the only thing you can really beat is A9 or 75. But after his weak bet, I think you're clearly ahead (again I don't think he has a boat). Then check-call any reasonable bet on river. Sounds weak, yeah.
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Postby HopyMSU » Sun May 15, 2005 4:23 pm

redlands,

Given your poor position and the fact that you didn't raise PF, I agree with Yogadude. You're either 'way ahead or way behind.' In limit poker, this is an easier situation to be in as you can easily just check/call down (being in first position). However, with NL, it is trickier because you may have to risk your whole stack to see a showdown.

With that being said, I like your reraise on the flop and I would have played that part the same way. However, if you were trying to take it down right there you need to bet more. If you were betting for value...great! THEN you need to follow that up with betting out right away on the turn for say 3/4 pot. This puts more pressure on him and if he reraises you here you're pretty obviously beat and will have to lay it down.

I guess the alternate line to take would be to just CALL on the flop, turn and river (if he bets). Try to get to showdown cheap. However, you even said you didn't fear a set...why not trust your read? He would have raised with JJ-AA, no? Push a little harder!

A read on your opponent would also make this hand easier to analyze. Anything on him?

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