Sounds nice, but there are also 7 other players at the table...

Moreover, ok, you do it once with a tight reputation, and he folds (or not--cf. my $60 raise with AA against 22. Are you really going to stick $100 out there on any 2? I simply can't). Next time he does it, you do it again--uh, how much are we re-raising here? Now you're starting to look rather suspicious.

There is absolutely no way I am losing $100 or so on 72o unless I can see a flop for free from BB, and it happens to be 772.

i dont know how many people raise 4x with small pps but i think it has extremely -ev

I agree with you there, although it did fascinate me at first. For me, anyway, I have real trouble holding back with aggression on the flop once I've taken the initiative PF. But, even if you don't have that problem, you effectively tip your hand.

I suspect that if you really get your reads right on players making this move (it seem very "en vogue" at this table I've been playing), even JJ and AQ become re-raisable, if you really want to milk it. But I don't think I'm quite ready to push it that hard just yet.

I might make a positional raise with a PP if folded to in LP or I have one weak limper (ie 7%+ PFR) to me, but that's about it. As I don't want multiple callers 4xBB sounds about right for that...

but normally I'm a limp/call raise and fit or fold the set with them..

You make the most when someone else is leading at the pot and you hit the set of course..

I know a guy who min raises preflop about 75% of the time. He raises to $4 ($1/$2 blinds). Ive reraised him to $20 with things like K5, J2s several times. A few times hes called the reraise and I bet the pot with absolutley nothing. Then I show when he folds.

This does a few things. It tells him Im fed up with his crap. It slows him down and lets me limp in with more hands (because I'll limp reraise him with nothing also at times). It gets more people at the table reraising him which slows him down. But most importantly, it gets him to pay me off when I reraise him with AA or KK or a suited connector that...well, connects.

He min raises maybe 80% of the time but I only reraise maybe 5%, so usually I do have a hand when I do it, but he doesnt know that because it rarely gets shown down.

It appears the consensus is play positional poker and steal the iniative when ever possible from out of position.

I think you should start paying attention to what kinds of bets they will call down with and what they will fold the missed pairs. I know some guys seem to love to snap off bluffs on the "cheap" with cheap being half pot bets on the flop and turn. I try to avoid playing a draw board like I'm on the draw unless I intend on stealing when my "draw" hits. I think if you start playing around in position in some of the cheaper raised pots, you will start to see how best to play out of position. I played a guy last week that suspected would take 55 to the river unimproved and fold to my half pot value bluff every time. It was very profitable to keep firing on every street, but that kind of special calling station is rare, but I imagine there is at least one at your table. I would rather ferret these guys out with observation, but sometimes it takes either catching a hand or experimental bluffing to see how they react. There are other people I would never attempt such shenigans against and certain boards I wouldn't try it, like you suspect they hold 55-TT and the board is 482 they are going to call you down way too often or actually hold the best hand.

I think some of the strongest knowledge to have in hold'em outside of a good read, is how best to play the river against each opponent in and out of position, especially if they tend to like to call down missed pairs or chase draws. There are guys that I bluff 2/3 pot and guys that I only value bet 2/3 pot against while still others that I check made hands too as it induces a bluff almost every time and still yet people that I never try to outplay which I hate those guys.

Thanks very much, guys, for the very sound advice!

I'm going to pick this up in my "table strategy" thread. The fundamental problem at this table is the "little pair raise." I'm convinced that in this game (aside from the Friday night game) the majority of the players will consistently raise $15 on a little pair, sometimes $20. There are a few exceptions and some variations, but that's the first nut I need to crack. So, the brainstorming I really need here is just to assume that everyone at the table does this. I'll also explain in the other thread how the betting proceeds as well as some possible "answers," to which comments are very much appreciated.

For the moment, now that I'm up again after having gotten lucky on KK vs. AA (and unlucky on AA vs. 22), I'm prepared to get blinded down a bit while observing until I can put together a strategy I'm comfortable with.