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What is Sweden doing about the suffering in Darfur?

Postby iceman5 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 6:47 am

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Postby RedBarracuda » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:36 am

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Postby RedBarracuda » Wed Jun 06, 2007 7:38 am

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Postby BigPhish » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:01 am

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Postby iceman5 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:11 am

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Postby BigPhish » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:30 am

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Postby BigPhish » Wed Jun 06, 2007 8:35 am

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Postby BigPhish » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:18 am

Immune to criticism? We shouldn't be. We should welcome and strongly consider real, constructive criticism from our peer group.

Said peer group would, in this case, be the nations who have the balls to actually put a significant number of their youth's lives on the line to make the world a better / safer place when that's called for.

So that's... um... not many, right? U.S.A, Great Britain, Israel... who else?

Let's put it this way...

Say you're working your ass off with your buddy to build him a shed. It's hot and humid and the "kit" you bought is missing pieces and the instructions are written in some warped combination of Chinese and Portugese. You've been at it for days and the walls are crooked and one just fell down.

Your buddy's 300 lb wife takes the opportunity to come out of her air conditioned house where she's been sitting on the couch eating bon-bons and watching Oprah and proceeds to tell you both just how badly you've fucked up the shed and tells you it's time you got it right. She might even offer pointers on sawing wood or driving nails or something.

You have a nail gun in your hand.

Does she survive the experience?

The morale, obviously, is if you're not going to sweat / bleed in the endeavour, you should probably just STFU (not you personally, I suppose, but the whiny little bitch nations - you know the ones I'm talking about). Get some skin in the game and talk all you want. It's the price of admission.
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Postby iceman5 » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:24 am

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Postby k3nt » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:48 am

Ice,

Does it matter whether it's actually true that other nations hate us?

Are you interested in some data on that?

Or is your point that, no matter what anybody else in any other nation thinks, since we're the only superpower, we are immune to any criticism from anyone?
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Postby k3nt » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:15 am

BTW, I liked BigPhish's metaphor a lot. I do think that's how a lot of people (Americans) see the US's role in the world.

Let me suggest another metaphor, that might suggest how some people outside the US see our role....

Imagine you live in a neighborhood that is poor. The houses are run-down, there's graffiti all over the place. But it's really not a dangerous neighborhood, crime is low. You like living there. You have a lot of friends, everybody gets along. There are some low-grade hostilities, maybe the occasional murder, but it's not all that bad.

Now some foreigner comes in. He has never been to your country. He knows nothing about your culture. But he walks through your neighborhood one afternoon, and based on that one stroll he decides that it is unacceptable. He insists that the neighborhood is a hotbed of crime and needs to be cleaned up. He brings in 10,000 army troops that don't speak your language. They march through, knock down every door that has graffiti on it, arrest everybody inside, and kill anybody who resists. Not surprisingly, the residents resist. They start shooting back. He uses the resistance as proof that the place was always a hotbed of crime and full of evil people, and brings in the big artillery. Before long, half the town has been wiped out, 1/4 of the males in the town are dead, 1/4 of the women have been raped, all the children have fled. The place is one big smoldering hole in the ground. And when you complain, he says to you: "Hey, nobody else was going to take care of the problem. If you aren't part of the solution, then you have no right to complain about how we do things."
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