Man... I think when I flop 2pr in a blind, I lose the hand like 95% of the time... Should I have figured I was beat...? Should I have bet out the flop...? I knew he was gonna bet the flop, and was gonna checkraise... not sure why I didn't... Seeing his hand though, I don't think it would've made a difference... After I made the push, I kinda had a feeling he had AJ, not A8...

Game #701913363: Texas Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50) - 2005/05/29 - 20:23:53 (ET)
Table "Lantana" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 1: Elfranger ($72.44 in chips)
Seat 2: richard ($113.48 in chips)
Seat 3: 69Nova sits out
Seat 4: nobas ($49.50 in chips)
Seat 5: Boyes20 ($36.85 in chips)
Seat 6: El_Jefe ($66.75 in chips)
Seat 7: vuelta79 ($67.39 in chips)
Seat 8: MVPSPORT ($65.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Krissan ($51.35 in chips)
Seat 10: Josse187 sits out
MVPSPORT: posts small blind $0.25
Krissan sits out
Elfranger: posts big blind $0.50
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to MVPSPORT
richard: folds
nobas: folds
Boyes20: folds
El_Jefe: folds
vuelta79: folds
MVPSPORT: calls $0.25
Elfranger: raises to $1
MVPSPORT: calls $0.50
----- FLOP -----
MVPSPORT: checks
Elfranger: bets $2
MVPSPORT: calls $2
----- TURN -----
MVPSPORT: bets $5.50
Elfranger: raises to $20
MVPSPORT: raises to $62.50 and is all-in
Elfranger: calls $42.50
----- RIVER -----
----- SHOW DOWN -----
MVPSPORT: shows [Jh 8h] (Two Pairs, Jacks and Eights, Ace high)
Elfranger: shows [8d Ad] (Two Pairs, Aces and Eights, Jack high)
Elfranger collected $128 from Main pot

i think you can fold anything except a set or AJ and still feel happy with yourself, it bites but the guy would have to have a serious note as overplaying one pair hands for me to call.

edit:

Oops i thought he pushed into you...

No fine push and unlucky.

re-edit:
I did read the action right... you can lay it down, i must be a muppet today or find that sort hand history impossible to follow

Gotta ask yourself..."Why is he making such a big bet on the turn?"

Is this opponent smart enough to semi-bluff you? What hands could he play that way that you beat? It sure looks like he wants a lot of money from you...I fold to his turn bet.

With that being said, I like the push .

Andy

Wouldn't he make that raise w/ AK,AQ,A10,Aanything of clubs...? I was sure he had an Ace, and wouldn't have called his allin... But, I thought I had some folding equity if he had anything less than 2pr...

I think the pre-flop calls are OK. If it was any more than a min raise, you'd have folded, right?

You should definitely try to get your stack in against a pre-flop raiser with 2 pair, as he'll probably follow you with AK and AQ as well as A8, AJ and AA.

You've spotted the check-call on the flop was a mistake - I definitely agree: not only have you given KQ, KJ, QJ, two clubs etc free suckout chances, but a club or high card makes the board a bit scary, so your opponent might be able to fold.

When you lead into the turn having check-called the flop, you're representing 2 pair or better; so when he raises you're left with a horrid decision (against a decent opponent a fold must be correct here; against a weaker player it's less clear).

If you'd have led the flop and got raised, that could just be a reasonable ace defending a draw-y board, so you can push.

A flop check-raise is probably fine too, though lots of players don't follow through after min raising pre-flop.