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Postby MVPSPORTS » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:25 am

Sorry if the title sounds like some softcore porn, but I needed to get your guys attention...Villian is OKAY... pretty predictable, but not as bad as MANY online players at the .5/1NL... I was POSITIVE that he had AK, but was afraid they were soooooted...

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed)

MP2 ($103.75)
MP3 ($29.60)
CO ($104.40)
Button ($246.50)
SB ($70.65)
BB ($19.90)
UTG ($47.20)
Hero ($184.90)
MP1 ($125.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with [8s], [8c].
1 fold, Hero calls $1, MP1 raises to $3.5, 3 folds, Button calls $3.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50.

Flop: ($12) [Kc], [8h], [Ts] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $6, Button folds, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($24) [2s] (2 players)
Hero bets $11, MP1 raises to $25, Hero raises to $175.4, MP1 folds.

Final Pot: $224.40

Results in white below:
No showdown. Hero wins $149.20. UTG wins $75.20.


There was already like $75 in the pot, and I was happy to take it down there... If he called I was pretty sure I was ahead... Should I have slowed down and milked it a little...?
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Postby Rhound50 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:31 am

MVP I dont really fault your play here, you have to love his raise, but its just barely more than a min raise, you are out of position so you have to raise here. There really is not much else you can do, you could have min raised to $50 but that really not going to change anything. Your goal his is to take his stack and the min raise isnt going to get enough money in the pot, that he has to call your all in on the river. Anything that he calls a $75 raise, he is also going to call an all in raise on the turn. My guess is he had KQ or KJ and made a small raise to see where he was at and was planning to fold to any raise.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:39 am

I don't know... he thought FOREVER, and said he had [As] [Ks] ... I know most times they're full of crap, but I think he did have at least one spade... Hell, what are the odds of trips v. TPTK w/ a nut flush draw...? I couldn't have been THAT much of a favorite if that's what he actually had... It was one of those "damn I wanted his stack, but didn't feel 100% sure I wasn't gonna end up losing that hand" type deal...
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Postby kennyg » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:50 am

If he had [As][Ks] he would have called i think.

I like your play. I like the big reraise as it makes it look possibly like a bluff...but also protects you against big draws.
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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:18 am

I think you played it perfectly. With a flush draw out you shouldn't mind taking it down on the turn and the pot is big enough already. If you DON'T take it down on the turn you would of course prefer to be all-in since you're out of position (as well as being a big favorite most of the time). You don't want to have to worry about calling a big bet on the river if a spade shows up-
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Postby devilmollusk » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:35 am

I agree you played it well, and I also think you get action most of the time from hands you beat online with this sort of play. I think in that sense the ev is very much in the positive.
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Postby kidluckee » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:09 am

Not to sound contrarian, but I'm not such a big fan of the turn play. You lead into the pre-flop raiser after just check-calling him on the flop. This usually announces a huge hand, even before you re-raise allin. If you are going to lead the turn, I think you needed to check-raise the flop. If he had AK, you would be apt to call a check-raise on the flop (or better yet, push back), and seems likely to call down significant bets from there assuming board doesnt get too scary in case you had a KQ or a draw you check-raised. I think you got lucky that he didn't just call the turn after you lead into him -- it smells fishy, but you are still laying him better than 3:1, so you didn't really prevent a cheap draw anyway if he doesn't raise. If you let him bet and then raise, you would really be charging more (assuming he doesn't raise your bet like he did). I don't like announcing my strength and then letting someone off cheap, which he could have done.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:57 am

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Postby kidluckee » Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:13 pm

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Postby MVPSPORTS » Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:06 pm

Kid... I was just jokin about the agreement thing... Usually, everyone tells me what a bonehead I am... :oops:

Now, I understand your point about the checkraise, but what if he WAS on a draw... what if he had [As] [8s] or [Ks] [Qs] on that hand...? True, I gave him decent odds to call, but checking gives him INFINITE odds to call... What if he checks behind, unsure of if he has me beat, and hits the [As] on the river... I'm screwed...

The reasons for the allin were that: 1. I was happy to just win the pot there, 2. if he WAS drawing, it was gonna cost him all his money to see if he hit, and 3. I really did think he was gonna call... I was kind of expecting a larger raise by him, and I was 4-tabling, and by the time I noticed he only raised like $15, I had already pushed the bar all the way to the allin, and was running out of time to figure out what I wanted to do...
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Postby kidluckee » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:08 pm

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