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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:50 am

Hate to be weak tight but I felt that between him being in the blind and his agression, there was no way I could call here. What do you think?

Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (10 handed)

UTG+1 ($19.70)
UTG+2 ($11.25)
Hero ($21.45)
MP2 ($13.40)
MP3 ($24.40)
CO ($28.70)
Button ($21.20)
SB ($11.40)
BB ($22.60)
UTG ($19.45)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Jc], [Ah].
UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, 4 folds, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1) [4c], [Js], [3d] (5 players)
SB bets $1.25, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB raises to $5.25, Hero folds.

<<Not sure what the problem is with the converter here, he moved all in, not raised to $5.25, would have cost me approx. $7 to call>>

Final Pot: $10.25

Results in white below:
No showdown. SB wins $10.25.


I really want to see what he has, so I opt to "fold and show", he shows me KdJd.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:58 am

Tough call... you're probably gonna run into KJ or QJ as often as J4 or 43 from a blind... He bet $7 into a $7 pot... I probably wouldn't chase w/ my TPTK...
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Postby kennyg » Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:48 am

I would have called because the blind was a short stack. Short stacks are fish and muppets 95% of the time.

There's nothing wrong with folding a better hand everyonce in a while..so don't get to down onyourself. But notice little things like:

1. his stack size (muppet factor.)
2. He bet on the flop (do you really think he'd bet out with J4 there? Almost every low limit crap poker player would slow play there.)
3. There's no flush draw (that's a bad sign.)

I think the good outwieghs the bad here and you should call. Of course it's easier once you see the results...but as soon as I saw the stack size I figured you should call.
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Postby laynegt » Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:22 am

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Postby Stoneburg » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:14 am

I've been in this scenario an awful lot of times and usually they show a hand like J8 or something when they do this. As previously stated, a muppet will slowplay a two-pair here most of the time. Other than J with a bad kicker the only other hand I would worry about is 43 which will leave you with some outs anyway. I'd call since it's a shortstack.
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Postby devilmollusk » Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:42 am

First of I probably call this. I think the muppet factor is really important when making these sorts of decisions.

But really the thing I disagree with is limping AJ from this position. This is a hand that you want to play against a smaller ace, small pair, or hands like KJ and QJ... just the sort of hands online players call raises with. If the blind calls your raise you can hopefully eliminate some of the dreadful holdings like j4 in this scenario.

Just a thought.
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Postby JJSCOTT2 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:09 pm

I beg to differ about the limping AJo. Especially at UB where the weakest tightest people in the world go to play poker. The type of hands that they call pre-flop raises with are AQ and AK and then will fail to raise you and let you bet your AJ all the way down. I think raising here would be a mistake unless I was in LP and it had been folded to me.
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Postby iceman5 » Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:43 pm

The limp is fine, but I call his all in also. Youre getting good odds to call the short stack. Better than 2-1.
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