... lose to AJxx?


- i'd cr flop and then see what developed.

- as played, i'd bet out turn and consider check-folding river or call a small value bet.

- as played, i'd cr turn if it seemed like sponging was popular at this site/table.


i'd like to know what site (if possible) and any reads. the river bet seems awfully fishy -- most people would value bet a bit smaller here. it's possible that he has KKxx and was feeling you out with the turn bet (your call is an underfull quite often, imho). maybe the big bet on the river is some reverse psych... anyway, i'd like to have some more context (site, reads, etc.).

fwiw, if it's at cake, i call every day on the river, but more importantly, i'd value bet every street and curse/shrug if villain hit a bigger boat.

Stars, not much read on villain, as this was the 7th hand I've played against him. All I really know is that he's deep and hadn't played over-aggro up to that point. I think he really has to be treated as an unknown.

I will say on the river that my gut was telling me AJ.

I'd fold, his range looks like: {AJ, KK, AA, bluffs} and without a read that he's overly bluffy (he would have had to float the flop then fire two full pot size barrels) I'm pretty sure you're behind.

I'd mix in CRing the flop sometimes as well as leading others.

I'd raise this preflop but have little to no experience playing full ring. I think in MP though this hand should be a raise.

Wouldn't limping allow someone in LP to raise with a sub-par hand then take it down on the flop if/when you miss and/or don't hit enough to continue OOP?

I think the way you played you should fold river against an unknown who seems solid - hard to see him taking the lead twice with less than KJ. I think I'd bet the turn though, and then consider dumping to a raise or (more likely) slowing down on a call. You're still probably not going to get to showdown unless he makes a milking bet on riv though...

To GLR on PF raise:

That's a valid point, but you also detract from your pot odds by excluding crap hands.

My general rule has been lately (for FR): On any hand that can handle a re-raise (and this is certainly one), raise if at least one player has voluntarily entered the pot. In LP raise those regardless of whether any limper yet or not.

Anyhow, if an LP raiser chronically CBs, then you can CR if you hit the flop reasonably hard. And if not, then, ok, you've just let more players in when you have a strong hand, hopefully building a bigger pot for the flop. I also think that in PLO the "initiative" really begins on the flop, so I'm definitely happy if some player yet to act raises with junk.

Without reading the responses ... I'm figuring villain on AAxx, JK, JA, or the flush draw. The flush doesn't seem as likely since he wasn't going for the nut flush draw on a paired board.

Any of the other 3 hands either beat us or chop, so in this case I'm laying down on the river. It may be a mistake in this instance, but I'll take that chance, as villain is being pretty aggro even though we've already told him we have the Jack. 9 times out of 10 here, they're not lying. I just don't think most villains are going to put a PSB on the river without the goods considering the way this played out.