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Postby MVPSPORTS » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:29 pm

Not sure if this was a crappy break, or if I should've seen it coming sooner...

.5/1NL I have about $100, villian has the same...

Dealt [10s] [9s] in MP... 1 limper in front... I limp... Button limps... Both blinds limp...

Pot is about $4-5... FLOP [Ks] [Qs] [8s] ... checked to me... I flopped a flush, which kicks ass, and only 1 card out-flushes me... the [As] , as the [Js] will give me a straight flush... But, I still don't want someone chasing w/ a naked Ace...

I overbet the pot, about $7... Only button calls...

Pot is about $20 ... Turn [Ad] ... no spades = good for me... I bet the pot again, $20... dickhead calls AGAIN...

Pot is about $60 ... River [5c] ... I have about $70 left... I figure if he was chasing w/ the naked Ace, he's not calling an allin... I throw out a nice value bet of $30, he calls, and shows [As] [4s] for the nut flush...

Should I have known earlier that he wasn't chasing, and that he actually had the nuts and was just bleeding me dry...?
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Postby briachek » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:37 pm

WTF was he doing calling with the nuts on the river? Not bad played in my opinion.
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Postby rickjr82 » Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:43 am

how could you know if he had the nuts if he didnt? either bad luck on the beat or good luck you didnt lose more no matter what he does thats a hard laydown
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Postby kennyg » Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:35 am

I think I would have done about the same.

A river raise really puts you in a crap postion though. Good thing this guy sucked.
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Postby Mad Genius » Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:47 am

The river call with he nuts is not as bad a play as you people think it is. It's a very sophisticated play only able to be pulled off if you are thinking at the highest level. I mean, when you are JUST CALLING with the nuts you can bluff people so easily when you actually RAISE later on. People will give you credit for something even better than the nuts and fold whatever they have. Trust me, it works.
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Postby Aisthesis » Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:15 am

lmao to MG...

Ok, opponent is bad and passive, but I think your play is also a little improvable.

First, I don't really like the overbet on the flop. I think pot-sized is fine (clearly still prevents the draw and saves some money if you're beat).

What I do like is the full pot-sized bet on the turn (note that this also becomes significantly less with just pot on the flop). To me, full pot on the turn says, "I have a very good hand, and you're not drawing any longer against it." And it generally actually does knock out even pretty serious calling stations/chasers.

After he does call that one, I think I'd check the river, although I do think your hand is sufficient to call a moderate river bet--just how much depends a lot on your read of this player. Who knows, as passive as this guy has been, he might check it back to you...

And, ummmm, I guess I do have on other item of critique--I really don't like T9s unless there's some special reason. I don't think I'd play it even in LP, although I've tried (and it proved a loser). On this kind of board, of course, it actually turns out better than something like 65s, but I think there are several reasons why it's just not as good a hand as 54s-98s. One is that many of your straighting cards are too squarely within the range that gets people making you pay too much to draw to your straight (e.g., a flop like 28J or such, where KJ, etc. will make it hard to draw). I think there are also some other reasons to avoid that hand, but that's the main one that occurs to me at the moment--in addition to the purely empirical argument that I could never really make it work.
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