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Top two facing raise/reraise

Postby stealthtt385 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:16 pm

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed)

UTG+1 ($0)
UTG+2 ($29.82)
MP1 ($13.43)
MP2 ($37.95)
MP3 ($10.25)
CO ($24.65)
Hero ($24.4)
SB ($34.22)
BB ($40.4)
UTG ($22.7)

Preflop: Hero is Button with [Th], [Qh]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.75) [Qc], [9h], [5s] (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $2, MP3 calls $2, Hero calls $2, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, MP1 folds.

Turn: ($7.75) [Td] (4 players)
MP2 bets $4, MP3 raises$8 (All-In), Hero...


MP2 75% vp$ip 2.29 PFA
MP3 31.03%/ 1.33

All I could think here is that MP3 had a straight or he flopped a set, because he called the flop and reraised the turn.

Here are the thoughts that went through my head.

1.MP3 is desperate with his last $10, but he hasn't shown aggression like this all day.
2. Fold, I know I am beat because both of these guys like their hands too much.
3. MP2 is an idiot and probably has top pair weak kicker. I should probably push creating a side pot in case MP3 has a straight.
4. If I call MP2 will push meaning that his hand is probably a lot stronger than I gave him credit for and I will be forced to call drawing to minimal outs.
5. If I push and MP2 folds I am almost gaurenteed to lose to MP3.
6. On the other hand I have top two pair and if I do push and MP2 folds I won't lose too much.

Okay, so what's your play here? Results later.
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Postby poker2006 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:27 pm

For me it's a fold. One of them has the straight, so you have 4 outs. You have put $2.25 in the pot, why put in $8 more when you know you're going to loose? To win something, you would have to build a sidepot of at least $8 AND win.

If the large stack was second to act and commited himself with a raise, it would be a very different situation. This way you have the uncertainty of what he will do.

MP2 looks like a very loose player, but do you know he goes all the way often with top pair? I know players that I know I can go all in on the turn against, and they will call with top pair almost all the time... Either way, there are much better spots to get your money in, I don't want to risk a lot of money to maybe win a little.
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Postby stealthtt385 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:03 pm

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Postby stealthtt385 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:22 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:09 pm

But his raise was an alli nraise of only a few more dollars. Most people who would call that turn bet and only have $4 left will just go all in . I dont think that shows much strength at all.

If he was smart he wouldve gone all in on the flop.
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Postby briachek » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:30 am

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