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AJ - Post Oak Bluffing all the way

Postby Stoneburg » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:32 pm

Seat: 1 havokrulez
Seat: 2 murphysteph
Seat: 3 Mozice
Seat: 4 kemila
Seat: 5 anderspoker
Seat: 6 floydinspace
Seat: 7 Stoneburg (Dealer)
Seat: 8 htommer
Seat: 9 1stvan
Seat: 10 mikewizz

Pretty normal loose game at Prima. The only one I am worried about is havokrulez who I tend to lose against, most others are LP's.

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OpeningBetRound
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1stvan : Posts small blind 0.10
mikewizz : Posts big blind 0.20
anderspoker : Posts 0.20
havokrulez : Folds
murphysteph : Calls for 0.20
Mozice : Folds
htommer : Sits down 0.08
anderspoker : Checks
floydinspace : Calls for 0.20
Stoneburg : Raises for 1.20 [Ah] [Jc]
1stvan : Folds
mikewizz : Calls for 1.00
murphysteph : Calls for 1.00
kemila : Sits down 0.04
anderspoker : Folds
floydinspace : Folds
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Weeeell... Ok, maybe AJo isn't the most solid raising hand but I'm on the button and I'm just hoping everyone folds either here or when I make my continuation bet on the flop. At least I only get 2 callers.

Flop $4.10 [5c] [8h] [3h]
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mikewizz : Checks
murphysteph : Checks
Stoneburg : Bets 2.00
mikewizz : Calls for 2.00
murphysteph : Calls for 2.00
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Normally I bet the pot or close to it, but here I'm a bit embarrased that I raised in the first place and decide I don't want to put too much money in the pot. When I get callers I figure either someone hit the 8, has a low PP or the flush draw. 76 is of course an option... Ah well, I'm done with the hand... or so I think.

Turn $10.10 [Ks]
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mikewizz : Checks
murphysteph : Checks
Stoneburg : Bets 2.00
mikewizz : Folds
murphysteph : Calls for 2.00
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Weeeell... if someone called the flop bet with a low PP that K has got to scare them. How about I just pretend that I raised with AK and bet it. If I really had AK I would of course bet the pot here but... they don't know that. Also, even though I am sure that one of them are on the flush draw I don't care if I give them odds to draw, since I am not protecting anything. If I bet $2 he gets an easy call, and nobody has to get pot committed.

River $14.10 [9c]
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murphysteph : Checks
Stoneburg : Bets 4.00

Well if he has 76 he'd probably bet out now, but if he has the flush draw he won't call any bet. I better make it realistic so he doesn't get curious if he's hit the 9 or has some other piece of the flop. $4 should be enough and he only has to fold like 25% of the time for it to be profitable.



I dunno. Good play or am I auditioning for the muppet show? The idea was to make everyone happy here. He gets to chase his draw without getting over charged and I get to bluff and hopefully win a decent pot without risking too much. It made sense at the time.
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Postby iceman5 » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:50 pm

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Postby Rhound50 » Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:50 am

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Postby Stoneburg » Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:44 am

Actually I was thinking the other way around. Against a normal low-level internet player, ie: a passive chaser, it could work (and it did). I'm not surprised that you all think it was a bad play but you haven't really proven it logically.

When I review the play it actually makes sense if you assume that the opponents are straight forward and not observant, or oblivious rather. Which is often the case. What I am looking for are concrete reasons why the play is wrong on each street under these circumstances.
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Postby laynegt » Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:18 am

well, turns out you were bluffing with the best hand. you shouldn't confuse this with outplaying your opponent. if he has anything, the avg loose/passive internet player calls $4 to win $14.

if you're going to bluff into a pot, you might as well bet enough so that they can fold. :o
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