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When to make loose raises??

Postby Aisthesis » Thu Jun 16, 2005 4:43 am

Well, after my "ticklish set" hand, I began thinking a bit about making some loose raises myself under certain conditions.

Here are a few candidates, one of which I had tonight:

1) There are a lot of short stacks at the table

2) The table is too tight.

And, here's the plan at a 2/5 NL table: Basically, stick with tight hand selection, but raise to maybe $20 routinely on any playable hand. Then, just play the flop completely as normal--absolutely no difference from a limp.

The basic idea would be to price the short-stacks out of seeing the flop on anything really worthwhile (I can play my suited connector for a raise with full buy in, they can't).

Basically, this is a partial imitation of the loose LAG I was talking about in my recent set hand. What I think the real effect of this move is is to turn a low action table into a table giving a lot of action as well as making it much more difficult for short-stacks to stay in the game. It just seems to me that, while you're effectively ignoring the true blind level (in a sense, you're making a 2/5 table into a 10/20 table), you put enormous pressure on the short-stacks this way.

What I'm not completely sure about is then when exactly you want to downshift again. But it also should create some opportunities to make bigger raises on true raising hands and still get callers.

Anyhow, this idea is for me very much in the experimental phase. So, I'd be interested in hearing any experiences from anyone who's tried it. I tend to view it really mainly as a kind of provocation move with limited risk.
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Postby Aisthesis » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:49 pm

A few practical results: I'm kind of liking this in phases. Basically, when the table is playing too tight (often, I've found, when the table is first spread, everyone is a bit tentative, and this kind of move will bring a little life into the game), it's nice. Once you then start getting a fair number of limpers, trashy raisers and such, you can just turn it back off.

As to playable hands, I'm only playing AXs in LP at the moment (once in a while I'll go with it in MP).

Actually, I don't have a problem giving action to a short-stack with KQs or AJ, stuff like that. And, MVP, you're quite right that you run into this "itching for action" from these guys. But I find that I sometimes have them dominated, almost always at worst a coinflip. For example, from the other night: Guy with $55 left raises from CO to $25 (field had folded), so I just put him in with KQs. He turns over 77, and I put him out of his misery when I improve.

I kind of like this kind of move with limited loss, preferably slight favorite against short-stack. I've obviously won a few, lost a few on stuff like that (had a similar one where I had 55, and a short-stack moved in with big cards, and I lost), but I'm guessing I've won more than I've lost, because I'm usually favorite on them, I think. You just have to have a fairly good assessment of what range they really are wanting to move in on to determine your own range of wanting to call or not (if they're $100 or more, I'm a lot more cautious, but you can also get a feel whether the $100 stacks are loose or tight).
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Postby Aisthesis » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:52 pm

Just as additional note: "Playable" for me is about 9% in EP (where I don't make this move on anything but a true raising hand), 15% in MP, 22% in LP, so pretty tight, I think.
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