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Hmmm...what does he have?

Postby iceman5 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:07 pm

$1/$2 NL at Prima

1 limper...I raise to $10 with [Jh][Js]. Only the button calls. We are heads up. I have $425. He has $200. He appears to be a tad overaggressive, and doesnt mind bluffing but Ive only seen a few hands that he played where I saw his cards.

The one hand I played with him went like this. I open raised from the button to $8 with AT. He called in the BB. Flop Txx. He led for $14. He had $25 behind so I pushed all in and he folded. He got busted a few hands later on a dumb bluff but he was short stacked. he has now reloaded.

Back to the hand.....

The pot is $23. The flop comes [7s][4h][3s]. I bet $20 and he calls.
Pot is $63. The turn is the [3c]. I bet $40 and he calls.
Pot is $143. The river is the [7h]. I check hoping to get to showdown cheaply. He could have a flush draw, TT, QQ or some other hand that I cant figure out. He pushes all in for $130 or so. UGH!

I know what he had but I wont say yet if I called and saw or if I folded and he showed.
What do you put him on and do you call?
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Postby Rhound50 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:18 pm

My guess here is he has AQ and now with the board pairing twice he thinks he's good and is hoping to fold anoother A? Its hard to think he called your raise with A7 thought that is a possibilty also. If he has a bigger PP there is no way an agressive played is going to play it that passively. If he was bad enough to play QQ that weak, then you pay him off. A7 and QQ beat you, you beat 1010, 99, 88, AK, AQ, AJ. I call here.
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Postby MVPSPORTS » Sat Jun 25, 2005 2:30 pm

I think there's a VERY good chance he has an Ace, and I'd probably call... I see people pushing A-high all the time on a double paired board... If I'd expect to lose to anything, it would be A3 or MAYBE Qs, but I think there's a lot more A-hands he would play that you beat...
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Postby eliteprodigy » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:05 pm

I don't expect to see an ace. Because of the aggression and bluffs that he has showed on past hands, if he picked up a flush to the ace draw on the flop I would expect him to raise me up, not just flat call. Based on this I would expect him to hold a pocket pair. 66 55 88 99 1010 I beat OR a hand containing a 7 with a gut-shut draw: 67 78 that boated at the end and his push is a wannabe thought of bluff attempt. I think I call in your position but I wouldn't be so uncertain that he doesn't hold some 7.
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Postby Aisthesis » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:14 pm

Well, having gone back and forth in my head on this one, I think it's a call.

This is a bet from a bluffer, and one that doesn't want to be called. I'm not very happy about it, but I guess I'd have to call.

If he's even vaguely reasonable, I think he could actually have about any PP (not big ones, I don't think--QQ is possible, but I think he would have gotten more aggressive with that earlier), or AQ-ish is also in the running as well, as are a number of hands that beat you. But I really think that this kind of player would bet smaller on the winning ones.
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Postby iceman5 » Sat Jun 25, 2005 4:30 pm

The problem is that there have been several times that Ive bet JJ or TT all the way to the river and bet the river and the other guy had a higher pair and never raised.

Most people would raise the flop or turn if they have a pretty high pair, but some guys are afraid of AA or KK and just call it down.

Ive also been called down with AA several times recently when I bet QQ or JJ all the way.

Thats why the plan was to check/call the river. Ive also induced alot of bluffs this way from busted flush draws but for some reason I just couldnt call this one.

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Postby Aisthesis » Sat Jun 25, 2005 5:37 pm

Yeah, I don't blame you. My first inclination was call when I read the post, then after about 5 seconds, I decided I had to fold because so many hands beat you, then I read everyone else's posts and started thinking about it some more. It's a tough call for a lot of money.

I really think the decisive element in making the call a good decision is the question: Does he want a caller? If he has a 7, obviously yes, and he's not betting that much on it, probably the same on a 3, although somewhat less clear. I probably would have actually folded it at the table unless I was just completely on top of my game at the time.

With these big bets, I think that the question, "Does this bet want a call?" is the one you should ask yourself. Then, question 2 is: Is this a player who tends to move in with the nuts? That's another absolutely critical read imo, but I rarely see a loose player who likes that move. I also virtually exclude the flopped nut straight from his hand range. I don't think a loose player could resist a minimum raise with that hand.
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Postby kennyg » Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:41 am

I know I'm posting this after the fact...but before the results..I was thinking "call"...because I don't see him moving in with a 7. People like this usually will value bet that hand on the river, not move all-in.
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