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Postby iceman5 » Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:33 am

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Postby iceman5 » Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:45 am

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Postby DaHitDogg » Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:30 am

#1 I can't find a glaring error. The only thing I could think of is you could bet a little less on the turn so that maybe you can get away if he bets all-in, but then again if you are that worried about a set you should consider check folding too.

#2 Aggression from a station means its time to fold. I forget this one alot.

#3 Calling station kinda messes up the isolation strategy. I would just call and try to outplay them on the flop.
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Postby iceman5 » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:15 pm

Hand #1) He had A6 and hit a str8 at the river..He pushed in as a 7-1 dog
Hand #2) He had [Kh][Th]. The flop was [Ah][6s][4d]. He called my almost pot szied bet.
Hand #3) I reraised enough to put shrt stack in. Short stack called. Calling station folded. Short stack had 66. and the cards are.....A...K...J....J...6

Hand 1 and 3 are about as perfectly played as you can get I think.
Hand 2, I almost folded but when I hit 2 pair I got sucked in. This guy is a big loser according to my PT stats and its obvious why, but since this hand I HAVE noticed that he cals calls calls and makes a BIG bet when he hits.

Although I played this hand against him not too long before th AJ hand.

2 limpers including calling station (CS). Its my 1st hand and I posted in the cutoff. I have 67.
Flop is A63. Checked all the way to me so I fire out a pot bet. Only CS calls.
Turn is another 6. He checks and I bet 3/4 pot..he calls
River 2. he checks and I bet 1/2 pot. he calls with Q6. Blah
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Postby greggabe » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:18 pm

Hand 1: Man, I have been really struggling with knowing when to let these overpairs go and when to take them to the felt. KK has been killing me lately (see my new post). Too many times I see a player making this kind of a play with QQ or JJ when they have an overpair to the flop. But obviously a lot of the time they show me a set or some two pair. I think it's a fine, fine line between pushing these hands and knowing when to fold.

That being said, I think here when he calls the 20 bet on the flop I would have to slow down a bit on the turn. I like the suggestion of betting maybe 30 on the turn and if he pushes then you can get away from it. There is no draw there to let him draw to cheaply so a smaller bet on the turn is probably not a bad play there. I gotta think he has a set here, but then again as I said above he could easily have JJ or 1010, that's what makes these decisions such a bitch.

Hand 2: I just don't know if I make this call here, against a player I don't have a calling station read on I probably do. But when a calling station wakes up and leads out with some strength on the river like this man, i gotta think I'm beat. A tricky player may make this move with AQ or AK and try and represent that flush there. But I just don't think a calling station is capable of making this kind of a move. Come to think of this he could have a set here as well. I don't think he is making this play here hoping you fold, I think he just wants to make sure he gets paid. Tough, tough decision though but I think if I am thinking clearly here I fold.

Hand 3: I have no problem with this play and I actually try and isolate short stacks a lot with hands like this. I hate the damn short stacks so I like to make them play for all their chips when I can.

All that being said, just wanted to let you know the bad luck that has infested the forum is spreading, I'm down about 4 buy ins over the last week. In my new DB i went from 10PTBB at 7000 hands down to 6PTBB at 10K :( And have been beat by some rididuclous 2 to 5 outers. I admittedly have made some over aggressive plays at times on some various hand during this streak but that probably only accounts for 1/2 to a full stack of all that. Oh well just needed to vent a bit. Took 2nd in a multi last night so that helped make up for it but I still am frustrated by my ring game results.
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Postby bkholdem » Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:55 pm

Do your best to continue making correct decisions. When the opponents tell you to fold on the turn (even if this means they would have had to play some garbage hand preflop for a raise and call a flop bet without odds) you should pay careful attention to what they are telling you by their betting patterns.

We are not always up against rational opponents who study the game and use sound strategy to play +EV poker.

Things will turn around. Emotionally seperating ourselves from the results at these times is easier said than done (and something I still need a lot of work on) but the more you can do this the better off you will be. You know you are a winning player. You have proven that to yourself.

Hang in there. You were one of my primary inspirations as a role model when I first started reading the online groups and playiing online no limit (from UPF). Your artilce about handling beats (i.e. you win 70% of the time when it's x vs. y so be happy that you just made money...even if that particular hand was in the 30% group) recently helped me handle getting out of a tilt fest. Do your best to use your own advice.

This is a correction in your poker stock market. Do your best to keep your losses to a minimum.
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Postby Aisthesis » Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:26 pm

First of all, while I think there are a few question marks here, none of these hands imo reflect the typical "dry spell tilt" that all of us have. I'd say they're quite solid.

Hand #3 I particularly like. I think it's the perfect spot to limp-re-raise AK.

On hand #1, you essentially answered the question I originally had, which was: Is he a good player capable of calling a raise and playing 86s that way? He obviously isn't, so I don't have any problem with your play on that one.

On hand #2, I've done exactly the same thing except hitting a set with my AA and making the flush. Remember that one from a couple of weeks ago (I posted it)? Against the calling station type, the improvement is completely irrelevant. They just ARE chasing the flush or the straight, so if you can't beat that, you have to just let it go. I did make the call as well, and I don't think it's really tilt-ish doing so, but once you have that read and they end up hitting, you just have to forget it. So it's one I certainly would NOT put in my "stupidity" column, but it's an unnecessary loss. And, with only one heart on the flop, I don't know whether I could have actually believed that even a calling station would take it that far. I mean, all he's got is runner-runner straight and runner-runner flush with that hand... unless I'm missing something.

Anyhow, just my impression from your recent posts: You're pretty much on your game at the moment, maybe with some minor (and debatable) imprecisions which are VERY hard to avoid with that many bad beats. I don't think you need to second-guess your game the way you're playing these hands.

Maybe try another all-in session at the .10/.20... I really liked that one!! :) It will definitely turn around at the higher stakes, too. Just keep up the good work!
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Postby poker2006 » Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:30 am

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