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Trying to play more LAG; question about middle pairs...

Postby ChaseThis » Mon Feb 04, 2008 2:59 pm

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Postby Zuccala » Mon Feb 04, 2008 3:26 pm

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Postby Semillon » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:04 pm

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Postby Zuccala » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:20 pm

2008 Goals:

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3. Read 5-10 new Poker Books w/ notes.
4. Become regular at $2/$4 FR
5. Try some $5/$10 FR
6. Work on Game non-stop.
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Postby ChaseThis » Mon Feb 04, 2008 4:31 pm

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Postby black_knight6 » Mon Feb 04, 2008 7:09 pm

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Postby ToastedMoses » Wed Feb 06, 2008 2:49 am

Semillon pretty much summed it up.

4-betting bluffing pairs is a bad idea as pairs (more than almost any other hand) get priced in by just about any reasonable 5-bet range. Better is to 4-bet the low end of your range (if you are going to do this at all, which at NL50 should be pretty rarely I'd expect) and the high end of your range (with the intention of calling a shove) extending the top end down based on the extent to which you expect to be inducing bluff shoves by weaker hands (again not something that happens at NL50 with much frequency)

OOP you very often have to 4-bet or fold to 3-bets. On balance calling with TT+, and AQs+ with the intention of CRAI on most any flop. With more of a read you can probably c/c or lead, induce bluffs and basically try and showdown your paired hands but OOP in an inflated pot this is just going to be a difficult thing to do most of the time.

IP with 100+ BB stacks mid pairs become more callable, the larger the stacks the lower the pair. A lot of villains will play more straight forwardly in 3-bet pots and so floating flops with 1 over and on boards that probably miss his range is pretty viable.

IP you can start calling with decent broadway cards (especially suited) and the larger SCs (e.g. 87s+, 97s+ etc...) with the intention of shoving a lot of flops: gutshots, OESDs, FDs, overs, any pair, combos etc... and on flops that likely missed villains range: low boards, paired boards etc... and also good c-betting textures: AT5, K35, Q82 etc... that villain will be continuing with his whole range.

Of course most of the time, especially at NL50, folding is the best play, and calling 3-bets - especially OOP - can start becoming very spewy.

GL hope this helps!
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Postby ChaseThis » Thu Feb 07, 2008 12:52 pm

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Postby Semillon » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:33 pm

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Postby stickdude » Thu Feb 07, 2008 4:50 pm

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Postby stickdude » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:08 pm

One thing I started doing yesterday (don't know if it would be considered LAG or not) is 3-betting middle pairs when I have position on an EP raiser instead of just smooth calling to set mine.

Here's a hand from yesterday where, based on how long he thought about it and his comments in chat, I'm almost certain I folded out a higher pocket pair (99-QQ range)

Hand #1402011524001087: Pebble Beach (6-Max) 11524
Seat 1: Perfomance (49.75 in chips)
Seat 2: ftt123 (68.45 in chips)
Seat 3: stickdude (48.00 in chips)
Seat 8: alexmr (49.50 in chips) <-- not THE AlexMR, is it???
Seat 9: jenx755 (51.10 in chips)
Seat 10: c lee10 (52.45 in chips)
alexmr: posts small blind $0.25
jenx755: posts big blind $0.50
Dealt to stickdude [ [7h] [7c] ]
c lee10: folds
Perfomance: raises to $2
ftt123: folds
stickdude: raises to $6.25
alexmr: folds
jenx755: folds
Perfomance: calls
*** FLOP *** [ [Kc] [4s] [2h] ]
Perfomance: checks
stickdude: bets $12
Perfomance: folds
stickdude: returns uncalled bet $12
*** SHOW DOWN ***
stickdude: mucks
stickdude wins $12.60

You definitely need to pick your spots, though. I was playing this villain on two tables - he seemed pretty decent (never open-limped, and definitely not a calling station), and he was raising quite a bit (I'd estimate probably 15% PFR). Against someone who rarely raises from EP, this might not be such a good idea...
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Postby black_knight6 » Thu Feb 07, 2008 5:13 pm

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Postby Pok 7's » Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:19 am

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