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It's your move. What do you do?

Postby kennyg » Sun Jul 10, 2005 9:30 pm

Just want to see what everyone does here:

I'm dealt AQo one off the button. Two limpers to me...I raise to $20. Button instantly min
raises to $36. Uhoh!

BB calls. Both limpers call.. huge pot..I call the extra $16 hoping to flop a monster.


FLOP $182
[Ks][Js][7c]

Not quite what I was looking for. Nut gutshot though. Checked to the raiser who bets $20???!!!

One limper calls. It's back to me. What is your play??
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Postby Twelver » Mon Jul 11, 2005 9:36 am

Got to let it go. If you got some big hairy ones you could try raising it up, but I don't have that big of ones. You are out of position and you may only have 3 outs. Not the best situation to be in. I would lay it down.

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Postby Hofstra » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:01 am

Depends on the stack sizes I guess. The board is draw heavy and the pot is big. Surely, if the button had a real hand he'd bet big in order to take it down on the flop? He knows it's unlikely that you have AA or KK, otherwise you'd have reraised preflop, but I wouldn't be surprised if he has something like QQ and fears you have AK.
So, unless the button is very tricky, has a huge hand and hopes that you will seize on the weakness he shows, I think a raise will get him out. He can't possibly call a big raise with QQ here. So the remaining worry is the limper/caller. Did you have the [As]? If so, I can hardly put him on a flush draw, given the preflop action (unless the stacks are really deep and he hopes to hit a monster with, say 9T spades). So he could well be on a set of J's or 7's. Again, that presupposes that both him and the button have deep enough stacks to make sense of his preflop call (i.e both have close to 400). Would he slowplay a set on this board? A guess a good player wouldn't, given that the pot is big and the possible draws out there.

In short, if the stacks were pretty deep I'd put in a reraise which makes it incorrect for a flushdraw to stay in, and of course fold if one of them plays back at you. But contrary to what twelver said, you are in position w.r.t. the opponent you should fear in this hand, namely the limper.

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Postby k3nt » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:12 am

$222 in the pot and $20 to call: 11.1-1. 3 cards give you the nuts, about 14-1. Implied odds definitely make this a call. If you have [As] or even [Qs] it's an even easier call.

I hate raising with nothing here. I can definitely see a tricky/foolish player here on the button having KK and hoping that someone will smell weakness and jack it up so he can push.

I call.
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Postby laynegt » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:32 am

i was gonna say, why not take one off. you're basically getting a free card, why not take it. implied odds make this an easy call.
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Postby Jeffm351 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 10:33 am

I'd have folded that to the pre flop re-raise, AA,KK,AK,QQ all dominate you and are likely hands for the re-raise.

Since you saw the flop and there are 2 spades on it, a small bet by the preflop raiser can mean 3 things, he missed his hand and hopes everyone will fold, hes got a set of Ks and hes hoping someone will raise him so he can push, or hes missplaying AA. 1 caller to his small bet makes me think a flush draw/set is very possible. You have 3 outs, I FOLD.
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Postby stealthtt385 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:02 am

Im calling. If you hit that ten you could possibly take the buttons entire stack. If he has KK you will take his entire stack. I don't know about the level you play at, but people refuse to see the str8 possibilities at my level when there are two cards to a flush on the flop.
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Postby kennyg » Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:49 am

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Postby Nashvegas » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:01 pm

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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:22 pm

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Postby Hofstra » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:33 pm

What did the limper have?

Put yourself in the button's position with AA or KK. The pot is big, the board full of draws. Would you really make that small a bet? You'd have to be very, very sure to get checkraised if you're going to set this kind of trap.

I wouldn't know whether I would have the balls to make a raise on the flop. Certainly high risk, but you have to win only 50% of the time. Also, imagine what it does for your image to be caught raising with only a gutshot there...

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Postby iceman5 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:38 pm

No way I put him on AA, but alot of fools will make a small bet with top set there even though the board is very dangerous.

A small bet with QQ is even dumber, although it worked this time. He might as well just check
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Postby poker2006 » Mon Jul 11, 2005 12:50 pm

I would definitely call there, how can you fold with those odds and especially implied odds. Some tricky players will show weakness with a set here, like someone said before. If you stay in and get that gutshot your clean them out. Easy call for me.

The button played it pretty bad, insta min-raise?? That was pretty bad, with 3 people in the hand, he was setting up himself to lose his money there.
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