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Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:03 am

I'm stealing an idea from another forum which has turned out to be a very good idea indeed. I'll be posting interesting hands that we can thrash out and probably learn a lot from. (Please, PM me hands which you've played or think interesting and like to see done in this manner.)

$10+1 on PokerStars Blinds at 30/60. You are first to act, UTG+1, with 8 players left.

You are dealt [Th] [Ts].

What's your play? Call, raise or fold?
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Postby Cardman » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:56 am

I am looking to see a cheap flop here....I limp and hope for a set..Raising might pick up the blinds or might lead to an expensive flop decision...but I can see an argument for raising or folding as well....and not that anyone is watching my play closely, but it could set up a future AA limp from OTG later...
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:07 am

And that other forum happens to be 2+2 :D

How many chips do you have?
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Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:31 am

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Postby flafishy » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:54 am

Well, it's not 270 to you. It's 60 to you. And there's now 330 in the pot, if my math is correct.

An easy call.

However, let me back up and say that under normal circumstances, I start the action by raising to 180 -- possibly up to 250 if it appears to be a loose, maniacal table. Not necessarily to steal the blinds but to clear out as much of the garbage as possible and see who's interested in playing.

If I then have a couple of callers and see a flop of AAJ or something like that -- or if somebody reraises behind me or something -- I wouldn't be afraid to let it go and not cry over those lost chips. There's still a gazillion hands to come to get those chips back.

The one thing I absolutely will NOT do is limp here. What have you accomplished by doing that except setting yourself up for trouble?
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Tue Oct 18, 2005 10:57 am

Okay... so I'd first limp. Then when it's min-raised, I'd call and re-evalulate on the flop.
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Postby Cardman » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:04 am

I like everything flafishy stated but I do not like the position OTG. I am not afraid to limp fold facing any heat from OTG...anywhere but early position and I play it exactly the same way. But from EP its either limp or just fold outright.

A few levels later, I might be more inclined to mix it up but at this stage, I would not feel very good about this hand unless the set was hit on the flop.

Suppose you do raise it up and get a button caller and the big blind calls...big blind checks, do you probe out here with say a flop of K98 rainbow? say you do, then face a reraise? you probably have to release at that point??
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Postby EscapePlan9 » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:17 am

Before 50/100 blinds and with 8 players remaining, I play ridiculously tight (or if I'm short-stacked) and limp TT and JJ. With 6 players, I'd raise it.
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Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:38 am

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Postby Cactus Jack » Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:39 am

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Postby flafishy » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:14 pm

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Postby FISH0621 » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:23 pm

I think alot of it depends on your image at the table and your opponents play to that point.
Up to that point I prob would have been playing somewhat tight, so pocket tems UTG is scary to me w/ so many pairs above it with 8 to act after you.
Te people to act after you are prob a mix of both tight and loose, with some aggressive ones. Still being early in the tourney I would probably try to limp in with hopes of hitting my set.
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Postby Cardman » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:30 pm

Looks like there is no wrong way to play this one!!

Flafishy, I agree with both your follow up points....200 to 250 would only allow the button to stay if he caugh something (which in most cases you would not have) and if you face a some heat from the BB, that can only mean one thing
and your other point, that letting go at this point still leaves you with plenty of bullets and time to get in the money....
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Postby flafishy » Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:08 pm

I'm back thinking about this again, and I think Cardman is right ... you could justify just about any play here, I think -- fold, limp or raise. Probably depends on your sketchy read of the table to this point and, most importantly, where your comfort zone lies.

Personally, I tend to be a control freak sometimes, so I'm going to raise. Absent a wild lunatic or two at the table, I don't want to fold it. I want to know now if anyone else has a good hand, so I don't want to just limp with it. Don't really want to commit many chips to it, either, but that's the only option left.

I think I'm pretty good at the difficult art of knowing when to let something go. And I also am able to stay focused, make adjustments and not go into a panic when my stack is short. So I don't mind mixing it up to see what's what.
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Postby MTPaid » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:41 pm

With those blinds I think people are too eager to call so I am either limping in or raising at least 4x BB because I don't think anything less stops stops things like QJ and KJ from calling.
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